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Plumerias


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On 5/25/2018, 10:54:21, jimmyt said:

I have found the "red's to be the most difficult to root. 

 

On 5/25/2018, 8:10:30, Umbrae said:

The reds root great for us our greatest loss is usually the orange shades 

My wife was just asking me about why a "red flower" plumeria she bought at a street fair a few years back has still never flowered.  It's been the absolute slowest plumeria ever.  It did root, starting out as about a 1' cane when we planted it.  It grows, puts out a few leaves, and is not about 3' tall with 3 branches coming off the original stalk.  I've been threatening to yank it, but don't because it's her plant.  Only one of the three branches has leaves in August, while my other varieties thrive.  My other plumerias are all cuttings from friends.

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51 minutes ago, Tracy said:

My wife was just asking me about why a "red flower" plumeria she bought at a street fair a few years back has still never flowered.  It's been the absolute slowest plumeria ever.  It did root, starting out as about a 1' cane when we planted it.  It grows, puts out a few leaves, and is not about 3' tall with 3 branches coming off the original stalk.  I've been threatening to yank it, but don't because it's her plant.  Only one of the three branches has leaves in August, while my other varieties thrive.  My other plumerias are all cuttings from friends.

Quoting myself to now include photos of the offending plumeria that refuses to flower.  It does produce a large leaf, and this is in a west facing exposure so it gets the heat of the late day sun.

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Another unusual plumeria but prolific flowering variety is from some friends who hybridized this one called San Diego Sunset.  Their home is above my place of employment on the South San Diego Bay in Nestor, so they get beautiful sunsets over the Silver Strand, with the colors of our salt ponds in the foreground, which is how Leah Pack came up with the name.  It's a crawler.  I have it planted in an elevated planter with photo first in the planter and then the same plant dangling all the way down the side of the planter and crawling on the ground.  I've trimmed it several times to keep it in a limited space.

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19 minutes ago, Tracy said:

Quoting myself to now include photos of the offending plumeria that refuses to flower.  It does produce a large leaf, and this is in a west facing exposure so it gets the heat of the late day sun.

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Hard to tell from the 1st photo but it looks like the branch to the left ( in my view)  of the one that is leafed out had black tip.. If so, and you notice it advancing ( Vs. healing itself and falling off like a Scab), cut it down to healthy wood and dust the cut w/ Sulfur. The branch on the far right also looks like it battled the same fungus at some point. Had the same issue on a few of mine earlier in the spring this year.

As far as red-flowered hybrids in general, yes, certainly near or at the top of the list of most challenging.. Difficult to root ( Top growers typically will graft 'em to hardier stock. Usually a yellow or white Var.) and tough to bloom reliably ( need lots... of heat)  Because of that, "Heart of the Night", a rare, almost Black Thailand variety, and "Hilo Beauty" are the only two true reds i plan on adding to my collection.

Then again, i have a rainbow-flowered type ( "Gina" ) that has refused to flower since i got it.. back in 2014. Grows fine however. 

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9 hours ago, Silas_Sancona said:

Hard to tell from the 1st photo but it looks like the branch to the left ( in my view)  of the one that is leafed out had black tip.. If so, and you notice it advancing ( Vs. healing itself and falling off like a Scab), cut it down to healthy wood and dust the cut w/ Sulfur. The branch on the far right also looks like it battled the same fungus at some point. Had the same issue on a few of mine earlier in the spring this year.

Thank you!  I'll keep my wife happy and follow the advice tomorrow.  When you mention black tip, that is exactly what I saw when I went out to snap a photo.  I should have realized it was a fungal or other infection. 

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1 minute ago, Tracy said:

Thank you!  I'll keep my wife happy and follow the advice tomorrow.  When you mention black tip, that is exactly what I saw when I went out to snap a photo.  I should have realized it was a fungal or other infection. 

No problem Tracy..

yea, that stuff can really cause a lot of problems and spread rapidly if not handled as soon as you see it,  kind of like stem rot. Some varieties shrug it off better than others but i follow sage advise given awhile back " if you see it, just cut it out"  since even stems that heal themselves are usually disfigured by the fungus.  Most issues w /Black Tip seem to happen as they come out of dormancy in the Spring.. though it can occur any time of year if conditions are cool /wet.  

As far as getting it to flower, aside from my thoughts earlier.. Lots of Potassium Spring - Fall, Nitrogen 3 x year, none after September. I only apply Phosphorus at the start of the season as they start breaking winter dormancy. You may not even need to add any extra Ph. to your plants sine they're in the ground. 

A good fertilizer for Plumeria ( and Hibiscus, many other flowering Tropicals ) will have a similar N.P.K. ratio as whats recommended for palms.. though maybe a little higher on the K.
 E.B. Stone's Sul-Po-Mag ( think Matty B mentioned this in the past ) and other stuff from Down To Earth are my go to, slow release naturals. Down To Earth is, as far as i know, the only product line available here and there in CA. that offers stand alone organic fert. additives like Oyster Shell / Crab Shell Meal.. Great stuff.. Crab Shell Meal is supposed to be great for killing harmful Nematodes in the soil. 

 

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Many Plumeria growers use this,and results are great.Watch this video...i.e for deriving definite seasonal blooms in our plumerias.No matter what colour blooms they are.

And here's the link :

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00Z739X1C/ref=twister_B018GH90HC?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

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Just now, Kris said:

Many Plumeria growers use this,and results are great.Watch this video...i.e for deriving definite seasonal blooms in our plumerias.No matter what colour blooms they are.

And here's the link :

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00Z739X1C/ref=twister_B018GH90HC?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

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Wayy too much Phosphorus.. unless you're trying to sterilize your soil.   Met a rep for the company who sells this stuff at a landscaping show a few years back.  Quizzed him on several things. As good as he was at touting this or that regarding the products he was looking to sell, there was a clear lack of basic knowledge of plant health in general. 

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22 hours ago, Silas_Sancona said:

E.B. Stone's Sul-Po-Mag ( think Matty B mentioned this in the past ) and other stuff from Down To Earth are my go to, slow release naturals

So this morning, I went out with some sharpened clippers and sliced off the tops, treated with a Copper Sulfate anti-fungal spray.  Last step was to get back into my goodies storage area and pull out some of E.B. Stone's Sul-Po-Mag to put down around both this one red Plumeria which has been so stubborn, as well as juice a couple of others.  Now I just hope the skunks stay out of my front for a while, as they love to dig in the moist soil for grubs after I fertilize and water.  I hope that before summer ends I'll be able to share photos of our stubborn red plumeria blossoms.

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I've had this Maya for years it has never bloomed so therefore never branched. I have often thought about cutting it but I'm afraid

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"You can't see California without Marlon Brando's eyes"---SliPknot

 

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2 hours ago, metalfan said:

it has never bloomed so therefore never branched.

I guess I don't think of these two being connected a bloom being required for branching.  As posted above, my red "Hilo" has never flowered, but branched previously, and one of the growth points is currently branching.

We attended a show this last weekend put on by the So Cal Plumeria Society at Balboa Park here in San Diego.  I asked some avid growers who were selling product at the show about my Hilo and was advised by one who lives just east of me but still in Encintias.  She only got very late season flowers and very few with this variety, so ended up digging it and selling to someone from a hotter and sunnier climate.  I'm going to give it another year after seeing some of the flowers at the show and if still no flowers or only a few, it will be available for a good home.  I'll make it a point of snapping a photo this weekend of the branching with no flowers ever present.  In the interim, something from the show at Balboa Park

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I have never had a plant branch if it didn't bloom, unless it suffered some damage and had to be pruned. Then it grew multiple new branches from the 'eyes'.

 

"You can't see California without Marlon Brando's eyes"---SliPknot

 

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On 8/12/2018, 1:18:03, Silas_Sancona said:

Wayy too much Phosphorus.. unless you're trying to sterilize your soil.   Met a rep for the company who sells this stuff at a landscaping show a few years back.  Quizzed him on several things. As good as he was at touting this or that regarding the products he was looking to sell, there was a clear lack of basic knowledge of plant health in general. 

This is like the old Miracle Grow 'Bloom Special' that they used to sell. It was 10-50-10. But they don't sell it any more here because the state of Florida decided that it had too much phosphorus for the homeowner to by spraying around. I haven't seen it in years. Surprised to know you can still get some stuff elsewhere

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1 minute ago, metalfan said:

This is like the old Miracle Grow 'Bloom Special' that they used to sell. It was 10-50-10. But they don't sell it any more here because the state of Florida decided that it had too much phosphorus for the homeowner to by spraying around. I haven't seen it in years. Surprised to know you can still get some stuff elsewhere

 Remember that stuff as well.. yea,  a quick look around many of the big box stores, and some other nurseries locally and you'll still find various "bloom booster" -type products on their shelves though the overall space for them continues to shrink, compared to better alternatives.  

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2 hours ago, Tracy said:

I guess I don't think of these two being connected a bloom being required for branching.  As posted above, my red "Hilo" has never flowered, but branched previously, and one of the growth points is currently branching.

We attended a show this last weekend put on by the So Cal Plumeria Society at Balboa Park here in San Diego.  I asked some avid growers who were selling product at the show about my Hilo and was advised by one who lives just east of me but still in Encintias.  She only got very late season flowers and very few with this variety, so ended up digging it and selling to someone from a hotter and sunnier climate.  I'm going to give it another year after seeing some of the flowers at the show and if still no flowers or only a few, it will be available for a good home.  I'll make it a point of snapping a photo this weekend of the branching with no flowers ever present.  In the interim, something from the show at Balboa Park

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Good to hear you were able to attend. Nice to see they had the Single flower tables up this year. There was (might still be up on their site) a well organized photo album from either 2014 or 15 of all the single flowers on the tables that year. 

Sounds like you got some good advise regarding the stubborn plant as well.. Assuming the people you had a chance to talk to shared ideas about other varieties should you decide to replace the other.

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This is another of the Plumeria varieties in bloom for the first time at my place: 'Desert Sunrise,' from a San Diego nursery. Has excellent keeping quality and a strong scent like candy. :D

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