Houston hit w another hard freeze

[tstex]

Hello to All,

Well, it was 18 degrees this morning and the winds have been tough too.  If we are to have damage again to our palms [Queen, Mediterranean and Sylvestris], how long does it usually take for each species to show signs of damage?  The queens are already showing burnt tips and ends from the last low-mid 20's we had, but the others are not showing anything yet.

Finally, what are the most hardy palms re cold tolerance that will grow well in Houston and not freeze, excluding the Mexican palm. 

Thank you very much and Happy New Year to all, tstex 

[5150cycad]

Butia, butia x jubaea, brahea Armata and mule palms (butia x syagrus) are all pretty cold hardy. Joseph (Texas cold hardy palms) has a ton of other palms that would probably do well for you. I have heard that the cold hardiness of the mule palm varies quite a bit. I know that I see freezing temperatures at my house every year and none of the palms listed above were damaged a bit. 

 

Good luck 

[Cikas]

After few weeks, even months damage can show. After warm weather, damage will be more visible. 

[tstex]

Thanks.  I'll start looking at these type palms and when spring rolls around, I'll know what I need.

Yes, I know the delays on damage can take a long time, esp if the core froze or was damaged.  I was just trying to refresh my memory to discern if there were any immediate signs of detecting damage.  Appreciate everyone's help, tom

 

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

We'll be in the 70s this weekend and you will see everything except that med fan completely defoliate. We have tons of stuff that will do great in houston and grow a lot of it outside in the Dallas area. 

[SHEP]

I feel your pain.  We lived in Houston for over a year in 1981, and, the bridges would ice over.  Oh, but, I miss the Gumbo in the little seafood shops, yes, and the oyster bars.  I live in the Bay Area in California, but, have a more central California climate.  Tule fog is out right now, (how I hate to ride my bike in it).  I have a beautiful silver Trachycarpus Princeps you might look for.  My other strategy is putting my most sensitive palms (slow growing) next to house, under eaves, and put less cold sensitive out of that area to transition (lots of C. Radicalis).  Cecile

[SHEP]

Oh yes, and I have a four Brahea Moorei.

[PalmatierMeg]

I had palms take up to 9 months to succumb after the brutal winter of 09/10. But usually they collapse when warm weather returns.

[Palm crazy]

4 hours ago, PalmatierMeg said:

I had palms take up to 9 months to succumb after the brutal winter of 09/10. But usually they collapse when warm weather returns.

I had a large Jubaea once that had total spear pull after a really nasty winter...it did not grow back the following summer but did the second summer, LOL! Of course, we had another really cold winter and that killed it for good. Palm get damage here at a higher temp than most places in the US, and the winter rain really is bad for damage palms. 

[sur4z]

5 hours ago, PalmatierMeg said:

I had palms take up to 9 months to succumb after the brutal winter of 09/10. But usually they collapse when warm weather returns.

Me too...I lost my P. pacifica with 6 feet of wood about 6 months after the freeze.

[Palmaceae]

2 hours ago, sur4z said:

Me too...I lost my P. pacifica with 6 feet of wood about 6 months after the freeze.

Yes it takes time to show the full extent of cold damage. I don't think my smallest P. pacifica will make it 6 months, looks pretty rough after the extended 30's we have had.

[ntxpalms]

Hi tstex, you guys have it made in Houston. I visit Houston 2-3 times per year and I am amazed at what you guys can grow. I bet most of your palms will recover from the recent hard freeze. You guys go years without a bad freeze, and some years you are almost frost free. Would love to garden down there.  

[Tropicdoc]

11 hours ago, ntxpalms said:

Hi tstex, you guys have it made in Houston. I visit Houston 2-3 times per year and I am amazed at what you guys can grow. I bet most of your palms will recover from the recent hard freeze. You guys go years without a bad freeze, and some years you are almost frost free. Would love to garden down there.  

Its all relative.... I’m longing to be back in Galveston right now 

[tstex]

On ‎1‎/‎18‎/‎2018‎ ‎7‎:‎52‎:‎27‎, ntxpalms said:

Hi tstex, you guys have it made in Houston. I visit Houston 2-3 times per year and I am amazed at what you guys can grow. I bet most of your palms will recover from the recent hard freeze. You guys go years without a bad freeze, and some years you are almost frost free. Would love to garden down there.  

Thanks NTxP's, but last yrs 14-15 and this yrs 18-19 is hitting hard.  Now even the Sago Palms are showing pretty severe damage. 

As stated above, all of the leaves are turning brown and the stems of the frond on the Queens are bending right at the trunk and the whole frond is pointing downward.  I was really bummed to even see the Sylvestri Date Palm show really bad freeze results.  As discussed last year, I'm just going to leave what is on there on there until I start getting new growth, if I do.  If not, it's poor ole chain saw time and my Queens are 2 stories+ tall.  I'll keep you posted.

tstex

[Josh-O]

bummer

[ntxpalms]

On 1/28/2018, 2:19:08, tstex said:

Thanks NTxP's, but last yrs 14-15 and this yrs 18-19 is hitting hard.  Now even the Sago Palms are showing pretty severe damage. 

As stated above, all of the leaves are turning brown and the stems of the frond on the Queens are bending right at the trunk and the whole frond is pointing downward.  I was really bummed to even see the Sylvestri Date Palm show really bad freeze results.  As discussed last year, I'm just going to leave what is on there on there until I start getting new growth, if I do.  If not, it's poor ole chain saw time and my Queens are 2 stories+ tall.  I'll keep you posted.

tstex

Have you found that Sylvestris is more cold hardy than CIDP?