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My palms south of France


alohas

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hi everyone,

I've been looking into palmtalk for several years now and l learnt a lot in these pages, so it's time to post some pics of my garden. I have an extended collection of cold hardy palms (hybrids, sabals, braheas etc), my garden is in zone 8b, with warm and dry summers, winters are cool and rainy. There is a lot of wind all year long. And I'm also infested with paysandisia archon unfortunately.

My biggest mule (butia x syagrus santa catarina)

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sabal sp tifton

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Sabal sp with brahea decumbens

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Butia odorata also with brahea decumbens

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Brahea armata and a very fast and hardy syagrus from southern Brazil (parana)

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Butia paraguayensis x parajubaea cocoides

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Trachycarpus martianus nepal form (with my little girl)

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Hi Alohas,

Impresse by the palms and garden,nice collection of rare hybrids.

Any winter damage on BxP ,Butiagrus or Syagrus?

What are the usual winter minimal temps in the region,do you use any protection?

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thanks guys

 

petrppetrov, no winter damage so far on the palms you're quoting, the lowest they've seen is -7°c (19.4°f) last winter. Winters can be very different from one year to another, even if there are always some freezes. I'm using protection on all of my smaller palms (those pictured above are my biggest, no protection for these). But I have many other hybrids, parajubaeas, livistonas that are little, but went through last winter with only a few burns under winter cloth.

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Wunderbar!

Sorry, my French ist nicht gut . . . .

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On 14/10/2017 à, Trava said:

Very nice palm collection!

Does someone recognize that Parana syagrus?

It's a romanzo. but from the tablelands of south Brazil

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Nice palms there. Brahea aculeata's dont get much attention but are strong growers.  Did the JxQ spear pull or only burn this winter?

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On 10/18/2017, 6:56:55, alohas said:

thanks!

a pic of a parajubaea sp 'anda' I'm growing, supposed to be 'macrocarpa' according to the seller

 

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In this picture behind the nice looking parajubeea to the left, is that a Sabal minor I see? Looks like it.

Edit: My bad! I see you already mentioned them!

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On 25/10/2017 à, PalmTreeDude said:

In this picture behind the nice looking parajubeea to the left, is that a Sabal minor I see? Looks like it.

Edit: My bad! I see you already mentioned them!

I bought the palm in the back as a sabal 'Birmingham'. But I can't tell the difference between this one and a regular minor. 

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On 13/9/2017, 11:11:16, alohas said:

 syagrus from southern Brazil (parana)

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what minimum temperatures has had the syagrus romanzoffiana?

 

 

GIUSEPPE

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nice palms and garden your b.armata looks awsome and add contrast to your garden

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Palm enthusiast in cold climate

***USDA Hardiness Zones 7a/7b*** AHS heat zone 7***

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Beautiful garden! Wish I had your mild winters but retain my long hot and humid summers :D

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LOWS 16/17 12F, 17/18 3F, 18/19 7F, 19/20 20F

Palms growing in my garden: Trachycarpus Fortunei, Chamaerops Humilis, Chamaerops Humilis var. Cerifera, Rhapidophyllum Hystrix, Sabal Palmetto 

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22 hours ago, mdsonofthesouth said:

Beautiful garden! Wish I had your mild winters but retain my long hot and humid summers :D

I know the feeling! But here winters are not always so kind, every 15-20 years there's a very bad cold spell. In my area, palms of more than 30 years old are all trachies (and a few chamaerops). I think sabals have a chance long term, but they weren't planted until recently.

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14 hours ago, alohas said:

I know the feeling! But here winters are not always so kind, every 15-20 years there's a very bad cold spell. In my area, palms of more than 30 years old are all trachies (and a few chamaerops). I think sabals have a chance long term, but they weren't planted until recently.

 

Yeah for us ever 5-10 years we get a blizzard or a really cold snap where and arctic vortex comes way to far south and hard freezes us for a day or 2.

LOWS 16/17 12F, 17/18 3F, 18/19 7F, 19/20 20F

Palms growing in my garden: Trachycarpus Fortunei, Chamaerops Humilis, Chamaerops Humilis var. Cerifera, Rhapidophyllum Hystrix, Sabal Palmetto 

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On ‎11‎/‎5‎/‎2017‎ ‎11‎:‎59‎:‎19‎, gyuseppe said:

 

Isn't this a Syagrus Botryphora in the photo, not Syagrus Romamzoffiana?  If so, isn't it supposed to be LESS cold-hardy than Syagrus Romanzoffiana?  Syagrus Botryphora should be no problem to grow in Nice or anywhere on the Côte d’Azur, but I don't know how many Toulouse winters it will tolerate in a zone 8b.

Alohas, you have a nice garden and I think some of your palms will be quite big soon (especially the Mule Palm and the Syagrus x Jubaea hybrid).  Your Parajubaea Microcarpa is also quite big.  I think it will be very beautiful some day.  

Very nice!

 

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On ‎11‎/‎5‎/‎2017‎ ‎1‎:‎49‎:‎13‎, alohas said:

It took - 5°c without protection and -7 with frost cloth. 

Wow, if it tolerated -7°c , then it must be Syagrus Romanzoffiana, not Syagrus Botryphora. Please disregard my previously posted message.

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3 hours ago, gyuseppe said:

I live in south italy is very south of Europe,  the only syagrus I can cultivate is only the romanzoffiana

You should try also Picrophylla, it is quite reliable after a certain size, but you need to protect it when still very small.

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Thanks Sandy Loam! Indeed this syagrus is a romanzo. I would be happy to try other species of syagrus though, there are apparently many of these growing in south Brazil, I'm sure some would be quite hardy! But they're virtually impossible to find here, except sometimes on rps.

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10 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

You should try also Picrophylla, it is quite reliable after a certain size, but you need to protect it when still very small.

Konstantinos over the last 10 years I have tried about 10 species of syagrus(not Picrophylla), are lived   for a few years, but then died in colder winters

I look for syagrus romanzoffiana x coronata , but I do not find it
 

romanzoffiana x coronata ????-----> https://www.ebay.it/itm/Syagrus-Coronato-X-Syagrus-Romanzoffiana-F2-hybrid-Palm-10-SEEDS-/192005016970?hash=item2cb4640d8a:g:qPEAAOSwB09YC9IY

GIUSEPPE

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On ‎11‎/‎22‎/‎2017‎ ‎1‎:‎23‎:‎00‎, gyuseppe said:

I live in south italy is very south of Europe,  the only syagrus I can cultivate is only the romanzoffiana

There is a mature Syagrus Romanzoffiana at the botanical gardens of Nice (Jardin botanique de la Ville de Nice).  However, that garden is right on the Mediterranean Sea.  In winter, Nice stays a bit warmer than other French cities on the Mediterranean, such as Marseille.  I have heard about a garden somewhere in the region which even has an Archontophoenix, but I can't remember which one.       

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6 hours ago, Sandy Loam said:

There is a mature Syagrus Romanzoffiana at the botanical gardens of Nice (Jardin botanique de la Ville de Nice).  However, that garden is right on the Mediterranean Sea.  In winter, Nice stays a bit warmer than other French cities on the Mediterranean, such as Marseille.  I have heard about a garden somewhere in the region which even has an Archontophoenix, but I can't remember which one.       

There's one in the villa Thuret in Antibes. And near the Italian border in Menton there's a botanical garden with an archontophoenix grove, they also have howeas. 

Queen palms are not so rare along the coast in the french riviera, you can even see some in private gardens. 

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  • 8 months later...

here's a 4 year progression of my 'parana' queen in pictures, it got down to -7°c (19.4 f) this winter with snow and strong wind, some fronds were damaged but it's recovering.

august 14
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june 16
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july 17
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pic taken today
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