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What has happened to all the Phoenix canariensis in Italy?


Lou-StAugFL

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Just got back from a trip to Europe and noticed there are very few Phoenix canariensis left in Italy compared to our last visit 6 years ago.  What is the cause? It doesn't appear they are being replaced with other palms. Just curious.

 

Lou St. Aug, FL

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Maybe the local councils are saving on the maintenance costs?

Not everybody loves palms, especially the big ones which have the disadvantages of most big trees.

Cheers Steve

It is not dead, it is just senescence.

   

 

 

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Lou, the Phoenix palms have been severely impacted by an introduced, non-native weevil.  Here is a palm near Salerno.

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San Francisco, California

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Red Palm Weevil

(obscenities in Sicilian, Greek, Italian, Croatian, Spanish, French And Arabic)

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Between Texas Phoenix Palm decline here, and red palm weevil there... the outlook isn't great for their numbers in the future.

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Lakeland, FL

USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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Looks like the ones in the coldest regions could be the only survivers. Until a cold snap takes them all. 

Los Angeles, CA and Myrtle Beach, SC.

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Unless my mistake this is Rhynchophorus ferrugineus.imported trees from Egypt carried the pest...

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We have that in southern France and the French riviera without them is not the French riviera any longer sadly

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On 28/06/2017, 4:22:25, wimmie said:

Lou, Phoenix canariensis suffers worldwide from a fatal disease!

I don't think Australia has this disease. Not saying we never will, but I'm glad our quarantine exists. Our canaries are doing fine.

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Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

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I was in Salerno and the Amalfi Coast and most of them were gone that were there last time we went. So sad,  it changes the look of the area.

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Lou St. Aug, FL

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I didn't realize it was getting this bad, anyone have a good update on CIDP weevil here in the states?

Mike in zone 6 Missouruh

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Red palm weevil. We have the same problem here in Croatia too. CIDP will soon become extinct in Europe 

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What other species does the red palm weevil attack. If all the cidp's die in an area then hopefully the rpw dies as well with no food around for it. Does it attack P dactylifera and Chamaerops?

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

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9 hours ago, Tyrone said:

What other species does the red palm weevil attack. If all the cidp's die in an area then hopefully the rpw dies as well with no food around for it. Does it attack P dactylifera and Chamaerops?

I'm sure this pest is already attacking dactyliferas. Jubaeas are also in its menu :(

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12 hours ago, Tyrone said:

What other species does the red palm weevil attack. If all the cidp's die in an area then hopefully the rpw dies as well with no food around for it. Does it attack P dactylifera and Chamaerops?

We've been lucky, The RPW population has dramatically gon down since killing about 90% of the CIDP's. The other 10% are fine and I don't believe will ever be affected. 

Very few other palms have been attacked in Southern Greece. A couple dactylifera I know of have been attacked but bounced back with the help of pesticides. I lost a Majesty palm at the height of the infestatio (about 7-8 years ago ).

In Spain, the RPW seem to be have a much more diverse hunger and have attacked a range of palms.

Lardos, Greece ( Island of Rhodes ) 10B

1.9 km from Mediterannean Sea

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9 hours ago, mlovecan said:

We've been lucky, The RPW population has dramatically gon down since killing about 90% of the CIDP's. The other 10% are fine and I don't believe will ever be affected. 

Very few other palms have been attacked in Southern Greece. A couple dactylifera I know of have been attacked but bounced back with the help of pesticides. I lost a Majesty palm at the height of the infestatio (about 7-8 years ago ).

In Spain, the RPW seem to be have a much more diverse hunger and have attacked a range of palms.

Because Spain is far palmier than Greece. It is kinda an ebola outbreak in a small village in the african jungle. Surely the impact is totally different from a hypothetical outbreak in a Metro district. 

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I can just confirm that in southern France washingtonia s do not get impacted obviously

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It didn't seem to be bothering the washingtonia in Salerno, Italy there were still plenty of them planted.

 

Lou St. Aug, FL

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On 6/29/2017, 1:31:20, Tyrone said:

I don't think Australia has this disease. Not saying we never will, but I'm glad our quarantine exists. Our canaries are doing fine.

Lucky Australia, Tyrone! Keep fingers crossed.

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In Malta too thousands of Phoenix canariensis have been lost, they don't seem to have killed any other species here though, yet...

Malta - USDA Zone 11a

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bugs get diseases too

let's hurry up and find them!

:rage::rant:

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