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strange date palm

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strange date palm I saw this afternoon, stopped in at a local place that is under construction and they had two of these dates, but none of the construction people there knew anything, will have to try and catch the owner and see where they came from and what exactly they are 

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Looks Phoenix reclinata.

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No pups on the side though 

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Im not familliar with reclinata does it have orange like this on the trunk?

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I have seen lots of reclinatas with the pups removed, they look slim date palms.

May be reclinata, may be rupicola. But i think is reclinata.

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From the spikes I guess also reclinata. A close-up of spikes and petiole may prove helpful.

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Also looks Reclinata to me.

...those orange boots, thin trunk.

Pups on reclinata throw out below soil level, perhaps they were cut.

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The spikes (and petioles as well) look to me stouter than on my own specimen. 

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I am far from a qualified expert but i think it may have some sylvestris in its lineage ... looking at the root base its not been trimmed and no pups are or evidence of pups...

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Pretty wicked stabbers it has there 

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45 minutes ago, Umbrae said:

Pretty wicked stabbers it has there 

I was about to say the same. 

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Imo it can be a reclinata or at least it has very much of reclinata.

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I think i have made a deal with the ownsr of the farm for this double

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 Very thin stabbers on this one 

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No other offshoots in the clump? Can you observe whether they are regularly removed by humans? (ie stumps, cutting spots, new green growths, where previously an offshoot had been removed...)

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I saw no other stumps no evidence of anything being removed 

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On 23/5/2017 8:06:04, Phoenikakias said:

Imo it can be a reclinata or at least it has very much of reclinata.

I'm agree.

On 22/5/2017 8:49:19, Phoenikakias said:

The spikes (and petioles as well) look to me stouter than on my own specimen. 

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True, more shorter and wider.

They are growing in full sun and very bad soil(white clay). They grow sloooooow.

can you share a trunk pic of yours?

 

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