Chamaedorea ID

[Kajsa12]

Hi, a happy 2017 to you all.

My first post on PT, although I' ve been reading here for some time.

 

A few years ago I bought 3 Chamaedorea spp. from a nursery in our country.. They were from different batches and all were sold as Chamaedorea elegans 'Jade'.

Neither of them looked like C. elegans to me, so I hope you can help me with the correct ID.

I've been searching on Palmpedia and reserchgate (for floral structures, see:https://www.researchgate.net/publication/28238365_Floral_structure_in_the_Neotropical_palm_genus_Chamaedorea_Arecoideae_Arecaceae)

 

 

The first one:

 

 

 

 

 

The closest I could get is Chamaedorea sartorii (female), but I hope someone can confirm this.

 

Cheers, Henri

Edited January 2, 2017 by Kajsa12
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[Palms4Steve]

Hi Henry.

It does look like sartorii. There are some good pictures on pacsoa. 

[Kai]

Hey Henri,

Good to see you here! No idea what to call this Cham. But I do have an idea where you got it. Nice score!

Beste wensen terug heh!

Grt,

Kai

[atlantisrising]

Not familiar with sartorii but looking at photos on palmpedia, if those are correct, I notice a very distinct difference in the terminal leaflet between the two. Elegans is split where sartorii is bifid. It appears from your photos that you have a bifid leaf but kind of hard to tell for sure from photo.

[palmtreesforpleasure]

It is a Chamaedorea Sartorii  Female

regards

colin

[Kajsa12]

Thanks for the replies so far.

I'm convinced it has to be C. sartorii.

Tomorrow I will try to post some pictures of the other two specimen. They are pretty different..

[Cindy Adair]

Welcome Kajsa12!

Thanks so much for posting great photos and to all for educating me!

 

[Kajsa12]

The second and third one are much alike.

At first glance they look like C. oblongata, C. neurochlamys or C. pinnatifrons to me. But maybe there are some other Chamaedorea species, I'm not familiar with, that look like this.

 

Second one (purchased in 2012)

 

 

 

 

 

 

What do you think of the second one?

 

 

[Kajsa12]

And the third one (purchased in 2015)

Very similar to the second one, but the leaflets are slightly more oblong. 5-6 leaflets on one side of the rachis.

Unfortunately no inflorescences yet for comparison, but that's just a matter of time.

 

 

 

 

[atlantisrising]

I have these, oblongata in my opinion.

[Kajsa12]

Thanks, atlantisrising.

Do you think both specimen (palm 2 and 3) are C. oblongata?

The apex of the sheath is a bit white on palm two, so I'm inclined to think that it might be C. neurochlamys , but I could be wrong .

Here are some links for comparison.

http://fieldguides.fieldmuseum.org/sites/default/files/rapid-color-guides-pdfs/195_Chamaedorea_Guide_v1_1.pdf

http://www.pacsoa.org.au/wiki/Chamaedorea_neurochlamys

http://www.pacsoa.org.au/wiki/Chamaedorea_oblongata

 

[atlantisrising]

I can't really say about neurochlamys, not many photos of that leaf available but I agree it looks very similar to oblongata. Probably the only way to tell for sure is wait till it seeds. I would still bet they are both oblongata. Also consider whether neurochlamys is in cultivation in your area, here only oblongata is readily available. Both plants look happy, nice job growing them! Here's some photos of mine, one with ripening fruit, this went from green to black without the yellow phase of neurochlamys and round, not oblong.

[Kajsa12]

Thanks, atlantisrising.

 

Yes, yours clearly are C. oblongata.

I hope my third one is male, so I can look forward to some seed in the future.

 

 

Cheers, Henri

[Steve Mac]

If it is a male you will know for sure because it is very distinctive and stunning, and the females set seed readily

and they also sprout readily. 

[KrisKupsch]

On 3 January 2017 10:30:04 pm, palmtreesforpleasure said:

It is a Chamaedorea Sartorii  Female

regards

colin

It looks like the sartorii i got from Colin ^^