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My Juvenile garden in Leucadia California


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On 2016/9/29 10:19:08, Tracy said:

That is something I wouldn't answer on my experience... we will see how it does over the next couple of years.  The one thing others have shared with me is that it is important to plant them high.  Many tillering Dypsis pull themselves down, but from what others have shared, it sounds to me like this one is even more aggressive about burying itself, which can lead to rotting problems.  Others can probably elaborate, and I think it has come up in some other strings on PTalk. Best idea is to do a search on D robusta and read some of those earlier posts, I find myself doing that more this last year to get insights from others experience.  I also live in an area with a high density of palm people and sellers, who I use as educational resources as well.

Tracy,

Allright, I understood.

Until now I thought that planting something out would be "the boost" for a palm but I will keep your words in mind. I have to confess that I`ve already read something about

some Dypsis species pulling themselves down but I have somehow never looked at it like a problem, more the other way around - like it might keep the plant in place

during a typhoon (which we get plenty of during the year)... - however, thank`s again for your reply -

best regards

 

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Great to see your place in person Tracy! Thanks again for the impromptu tour! When its all filled in, its gonna be even more killah!! B):drool:

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

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On 9/26/2016, 9:56:57, Tracy said:

 

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A little different perspective, but it is pretty amazing how things have filled in over the last 11 months.  A lot less uncovered bark now.

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On 9/26/2016, 9:50:26, Tracy said:

 

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Same story... a lot less bark and palms starting to go up!

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Tracy, I thought that I had commented on your garden, but evidently not. 

Nice variety of plantings, palms, cycads, succulents, ground covers, and rocks, all creating nice variation in heights and widths.

Spacing is an important part of the equation as well and you've done a nice job. Plus your stuff just looks plain good.

The contrast between gardens in relatively arid climates, (SoCal), and the ones here in East Hawaii never fail to remind me just how 'wet' it is here. 

Even the rocks grow moss and algae and the weeds...... well you learn to just love them. 

Your Dypsis are getting BIG and that Pritchardia 'affinis', is now P. maideniana. 

Tim 

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Very nice selection of palms, cycads, etc. 

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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6 hours ago, realarch said:

Nice variety of plantings, palms, cycads, succulents, ground covers, and rocks, all creating nice variation in heights and widths.

Spacing is an important part of the equation as well and you've done a nice job.

I have really tried to keep the spacing more open.  Since I'm growing a lot of sun loving cycads, I tried to place things to still let plenty of light through for them.  Before planting this garden, I was influenced by Horace Anderson's layout, which is just a couple of blocks north of my house.  He had an interesting mix of palms, cycads and trees but spaced things enough in our climate to allow all to thrive.  We are in the marine layer/fog belt during late spring and early summer, so it's critical to allow the sun's heat in during those months.  Quite different than what you get on the East side of the Big Island!  Plenty of challenges and opportunities in all our little micro-climates to adapt to.  Thanks for the words of encouragement too!

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No problem Tracy. I lived in the South Park neighborhood of San Diego for 28 years before moving to Hilo. I remember the marine

climate, May and June gloom very well. I also worked in Solana Beach for a few years as well. Pretty much in your neighborhood.

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On 9/26/2016, 9:29:01, Tracy said:

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On the last day of 2018, I thought I would share some updates of how things have grown and changed since September of 2016.  Pretty amazing what 2 years 3 months does.  The same Pritchardia martii & Chamaedorea hoperiana now, as well as that Chambeyronia houailou

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On 9/26/2016, 9:12:06, Tracy said:

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On 9/26/2016, 9:02:56, Tracy said:

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The front planter has changed too.  The slow one is the Dypsis decipiens, which has split and now has 3 or 4 trunks as opposed to 2 in the original photo.  The Pseudophoenix sargentii ssp saonae var navassana which isn't fast, makes the D decipiens look slow; even the Cycads & Aloes grow faster than the decipiens.

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On 9/26/2016, 9:33:24, Tracy said:

Burretiokentia hapala; Dypsis lanceolata w/ Vietchia spiralis; Pritchardia affinis (new name?);

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First the Burretiokentia hapala with the Dypsis lanceolata to the left and Dypsis pembana trunk to the right.  Next the Veitchia spiralis (bananas gone and the Kentiopsis oliviformis in their place.  Finally the Pritchardia maideniana (formerly P affinis).

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On 9/26/2016, 9:50:26, Tracy said:

Pritchardia hillebrandii; Dypsis cabadae; Dypsis heteromorpha; Dypsis prestoniana and Encephalartos species

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The Pritchardia and Dypsis cabadae (probably not cabadae but pembana or a hybrid).  Dypsis Prestoniana with the Encephalartos in the foreground

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On 9/26/2016, 10:08:33, Tracy said:

Succulent and E cupidus in foreground; Copernicia baileyana x hospita; D leptocheilos w R glauca;

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On 9/26/2016, 10:08:33, Tracy said:

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The main planter in the back which was sparsely planted has filled in a bit and I'm sure at some point will require that I extract a few items.  The Dypsis leptocheilos and Ravenea glauca will continue moving up, leaving space for the cycads and other items below.  As you can see, the Encephalartos horridus x woodii I transplanted from my Carlsbad yard is filling in nicely below the Big Curly Dypsis prestoniana in the second photo.  The last photo includes the planter pictured in the above post of the Dypsis heteromorpha.  Between the heteromorpha and a Cycas debaoensis, that side little planter is spilling over the walkway.

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On 9/26/2016, 10:17:01, Tracy said:

B hapala; Pritchardia flynii; D decaryi x lepto; E arenarius; Lepidiozamia peroffskyana

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On 9/26/2016, 9:39:37, Tracy said:

The South side walkway with Howea belmoreana up front; H belmoreana closeup; Foxy Lady with a little trunk now; Caryota no

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Along the south sidewalk you can't really capture everything anymore in one photo.  The Howea belomoreana, Pritchardia flynnii and Burretiokentia hapala blend together now.  The Foxy Lady is too tall to capture without shooting up at it or getting the perspective from outside the fence so just the trunk is shown.  The Dypsis leptocheilos is obscured in the banana clump, which will have to come out eventually or be significantly thinned.  I don't think I had the Chambeyronia hookerii planted in 2016 and the cycads were all quite a bit smaller.

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Some areas not included in the 2016 photos include another planter in my front.  Dypsis ambositrae and another Copernicia x textilis (Copernicia baileyana x hospita), with Encephalartos and Aloe.  A pair of Dypsis additions (Dypsis ovobonstira and Dypsis pilulifera) next to my Ficus dammaropsis.

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On 9/26/2016 at 9:39 PM, Tracy said:

Howea belmoreana up front; H belmoreana closeup; Foxy Lady with a little trunk now; Caryota no

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With adjacent palms blocking the view for so long, I couldn't get photos of this Howea belmoreana for a while.  With a frond coming off my Burretiokentia on one side and a few fronds coming off my Dypsis lanceolata, I finally had a clear shot without using a fisheye lens.  Pretty decent grown on this in the last 5 years, I'm happy with it!

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On 12/31/2018 at 5:24 PM, Tracy said:

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The Pritchardia flynnii is looking good too now that I can see it again.  It too was hiding underneath the Burretiokentia hapala for a while.

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15 hours ago, Tracy said:

20210731-BH3I4899.jpgHoping to find room in my yard planning for one of these - so elegant and can provide nice shade for smaller plants. Beautiful specimen!

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On 9/26/2016 at 9:56 PM, Tracy said:

View over Encephalartos turnerii tips into garden; E turnerii, D prestoniana, and E arenarius x woodii; Kentiopsis oliviformis; Ravenea julietiae

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A couple of months short of 5 years later and here is what these same views look like.  I did have to remove the Kentia (Howea forsteriana) a few years back and I planted a Dioon in it's place, because I didn't need something high there, I needed something low, after the growth of some of the adjacent palms filled the high need.  The fastest growing palm in this group of photos has been the Dypsis leptocheilos, which is in the distance in the first photo.

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On 9/26/2016 at 9:02 PM, Tracy said:

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Pseudophoenix has made some progress, but the fast palm in these two sets of photos over 5 years has been the Dypsis decaryi.  In the update photo with the D decaryi, you an also see the Dypsis pembana to the right of the walkway.  That would have been taller, but I lost a stem to rot.   It was growing up into the Aloidendron hercules, and I think that the rot got into the crown from the Aloidendron.  The Dypsis pembana clump went in much earlier than the decaryi, all the way back to Autumn 2010, before the remodel, along with most of the Cycads, Aloes & Aloidendron in this front planter area.

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On 9/26/2016 at 9:29 PM, Tracy said:

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At this point, I don't believe the Pritchardia in the first photo is P martii, which is what I bought it as.  I'm even struggling now with the Burretiokentia hapala id, due to the prominant ligule flaps on it, which is different from my other B hapala.  The single stemmed Dypsis pembana label can stay though.  Another sequence below, just shy of 5 years later.  I didn't try to get the crown of the Dypsis pembana, as the lighting wasn't good, far too much glare at the time I was photographing.

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On 9/26/2016 at 9:33 PM, Tracy said:

Dypsis lanceolata w/ Vietchia spiralis;

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I needed to get at a different angle now to capture the Veitchia spiralis, so the Dypsis lanceolata is kind of hidden behind the leaves of the Burretiokentia, which are photo-bombing this shot.  I have added a Kentiopsis oliviformis since 2016 and a no-id Caryota.  The Caryota is temporary to provide some additional shade for the Veitchia and D lanceolata, but as the Kentiopsis goes up, I'll eventually remove the Caryota.

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On 9/26/2016 at 9:39 PM, Tracy said:

South side walkway with ;Caryota no which was no Caryota no (more likely urens or ochlandra) and a young Dypsis plumosa with Cycas thouarsii x cupida behind the Caryota.

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The Caryota met it's fate when it started to produce seed a couple of years ago.  At this point, quite a few things have replaced it, but the Cycas thouarsii x cupida keeps going up and she has several pups at her base.  The Dypsis plumosa has pushed inflorescence that were a trellis for tomatoes the last couple of years, which I just removed as the main tomato plant has put out so many seedlings, that it was time to let them take over for the original plant.  This summer I planted a Clinostigma savoryanum where the Caryota used to be.  I love my Clinostigma in Carlsbad and didn't have any here in Leucadia, but that is remedied now!

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On 9/26/2016 at 9:50 PM, Tracy said:

Pritchardia hillebrandii; Dypsis cabadae

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Well while the Pritchardia and Dypsis have grown nicely and filled in their spots, the ids were a little off.  I'm not sure which Pritchardia it is, but know it isn't P hillebrandii, as I have the real one in my old garden in Carlsbad.  The Dypsis I acquired as cabadae looks like just a slightly different variation of Dypsis pembana to me. From the deck above the Pritchardia, the view to the planters below is pretty much obscured now.  I'm not complaining as it gives the deck the feeling of being more of a room enclosed on one side by the garden.

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Wow @Tracy your place is starting to look like mine!

Love the Teddy Bears! I thought they didn't do as well by the beach, nice to be proven resoundingly wrong on that one. (Crow can be tasty, sometimes.)

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1 hour ago, DoomsDave said:

Wow @Tracy your place is starting to look like mine!

Love the Teddy Bears! I thought they didn't do as well by the beach, nice to be proven resoundingly wrong on that one. (Crow can be tasty, sometimes.)

There are a few in the neighborhood and I do have to say this is the chunkiest D leptocheilos I've seen around here.  Most are older than mine and in a little more shade, but hard to tell if other things were just outpacing them or if they were always in shadier spots.  I have a second that I acquired as a D decaryi x lepto as a band size, but its straight lepto.  Its proven speedy as well even in shade, but doesn't have the girth thus far that this one does.

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43 minutes ago, Tracy said:

There are a few in the neighborhood and I do have to say this is the chunkiest D leptocheilos I've seen around here.  Most are older than mine and in a little more shade, but hard to tell if other things were just outpacing them or if they were always in shadier spots.  I have a second that I acquired as a D decaryi x lepto as a band size, but its straight lepto.  Its proven speedy as well even in shade, but doesn't have the girth thus far that this one does.

Starting to look like the northern OC coast is becoming a bit of a palm Holy Land . . .

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5 hours ago, DoomsDave said:

Starting to look like the northern OC coast is becoming a bit of a palm Holy Land . . .

I guess we are in the Un-Holy Land then down here in northern San Diego County coast.   We try though ;)

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Yeah 

2 hours ago, Tracy said:

I guess we are in the Un-Holy Land then down here in northern San Diego County coast.   We try though ;)

So agog with the delights of your garden that my sense of direction went seriously astray:D 

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On 9/26/2016 at 10:08 PM, Tracy said:

Succulent and E cupidus in foreground; Copernicia baileyana x hospita; D leptocheilos w R glauca;

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I decided to go back in time and look at some of the earlier posts I did on my garden.  It is interesting to note that at the time I thought I was giving a decent amount of space for things to grow.  Time has shown otherwise, as my garden is actually overflowing in some areas.  It is fun to see what it once looked like and think about the expectations I had at the time.  Many plants have actually outperformed my expectations on speed of growth.

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Glad to have stumbled across this thread as I only remember your garden in the (somewhat) later stages when it was already gaining traction. Crazy to think I spent a lot of time throughout elementary at your next door neighbors' just to the north. Now I get to look forward to admiring it as it continues to take off. Hope all is well, Tracy:greenthumb:

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On 9/26/2016 at 10:01 PM, Tracy said:

D robusta; D prestoniana with my hand for perspective; D prestoniana trunk; K oliviformis trunk

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The current state of this may have been my biggest surprise!

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