My Butia catarinensis arrived!

[Brad Mondel]

Since Butia is my favorite genus I've been seeking this species for a very long time and I finally found a grower that doesn't charge astronomical amounts of money for palms. These two will stay in pots for as long as possible, I'm very pleased and excited with these! 

[Las Palmas Norte]

Great find! What do you know about these and how they differ from regular capitata?

Cheers, Barrie.

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

I would have given you seedlings for free. I have hundred of them i keep mowing over and pulling them up.  Thiss is the only Butia that i do not grow. 

[Las Palmas Norte]

You don't grow it because ... uh ... you mow over it and pull them up?

Cheers, Barrie.

 

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

8 hours ago, Las Palmas Norte said:

You don't grow it because ... uh ... you mow over it and pull them up?

Cheers, Barrie.

 

Barrie, sorry for not being clear; that is the only Butia I don't grow commercially. I primarily grow Odorata, Eriospatha, and Yatay.

[Alicehunter2000]

Joseph....are you saying that you have B. catarenensis growing wild like grass? 

 

[Alicehunter2000]

Nevermind...you posted at the same time.

Hardly anyone sells dwarf Butia's.

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

Its not for a lack of trying..... I have a lot (over 1000 seeds) of dwarf butia seed in the germinating room.  A fresher batch of archeri and matagr. seed arrived a few weeks ago, which I hope will start to pop in a few months. 

[Palm crazy]

I’ve got two of these in the ground now for five years or more, funny thing is I can’t remember where I got them from, LOL! Maybe jungle music? Anyways, it been very hardy for me in 8a and when it does have spear pull (like last winters 19F, no protection) it grew back really fast compared to my bigger butias.  I highly recommend this cute little Butia palm.  It tougher than it looks. 

 

Edited August 26, 2016 by Palm crazy

[Alicehunter2000]

Has it ever fruited?

[Brad Mondel]

21 hours ago, TexasColdHardyPalms said:

I would have given you seedlings for free. I have hundred of them i keep mowing over and pulling them up.  Thiss is the only Butia that i do not grow. 

Can we see your mother catarinensis? 

How old is it? How big was it when it started to flower? 

Cant wait till mine get big enough to bloom. 

[Brad Mondel]

On August 25, 2016 at 2:46:23 PM, Las Palmas Norte said:

Great find! What do you know about these and how they differ from regular capitata?

Cheers, Barrie.

Catarinensis is the Butia of the beach. It is a smaller palm that grows in sandy coastal soil of Southern Brazil. Usually stays shorter than 3 meters. Very cold hardy. 

 

http://www.palmpedia.net/wiki/Butia_catarinensis

[Las Palmas Norte]

46 minutes ago, Brad Mondel said:

Catarinensis is the Butia of the beach. It is a smaller palm that grows in sandy coastal soil of Southern Brazil. Usually stays shorter than 3 meters. Very cold hardy. 

 

http://www.palmpedia.net/wiki/Butia_catarinensis

Ah man ... I need one of these palms. Thanks for the info.

Cheers, Barrie.

[Palm crazy]

1 hour ago, Alicehunter2000 said:

Has it ever fruited?

I have never had any butia in my garden bloom for me. Maybe some day.   After looking at mine it looks to be around a three gallon size palm. 

Edited August 26, 2016 by Palm crazy

[Palm crazy]

Here is what mine look like as of today. They were planted pretty small a while ago. 

B.c. #1

close-up of trunk.

B.c. #2

I may have gotten these two as seedlings from a guy in Seattle 5 years ago. I planted mine right away and did protect the first couple of years. 

Both of these had spear pull this last winter at 19F/-7C. Funny thing is a few years ago at 18F neither had any damage, go figure! 

Edited August 26, 2016 by Palm crazy

[Palm crazy]

On August 24, 2016 8:44:18 PM, Brad Mondel said:

Since Butia is my favorite genus I've been seeking this species for a very long time and I finally found a grower that doesn't charge astronomical amounts of money for palms. These two will stay in pots for as long as possible, I'm very pleased and excited with these! 

Your climate is warmer overall so it should out perform mine, good find! 

[Brad Mondel]

Thanks for sharing! Yours look beautiful. Here's mine in their new pots: 

 

[Ben in Norcal]

3 hours ago, Brad Mondel said:

Thanks for sharing! Yours look beautiful. Here's mine in their new pots: 

 

So where did these come from?

[PalmTreeDude]

Looks good! 

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

First pic Three catarinensis 

Second pic catarinensis trunk size to size 12 shoe

Third pic odorata on right, catarinensis on left

Fourth - odorata trunk with same shoe

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

First- another catarinensis 

Second - three more catarensis

Third- this was the fatest and best looking catarinensis out of the 18 that i started out with, but it doesn't match the beauty or size of any of the average odorata. I use this one for mule seed along with the odorata. 

[Brad Mondel]

I love the small trunks on those. Any pics of seed? Thanks for sharing. 

[Las Palmas Norte]

Great pics. Thanks.

Cheers, Barrie.

[Alicehunter2000]

Joseph ... you have B. catarinensis that you use for mule seed? .... any difference in size with the mules it has produced? 

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

18 minutes ago, Alicehunter2000 said:

Joseph ... you have B. catarinensis that you use for mule seed? .... any difference in size with the mules it has produced? 

Right now it is hard to tell as my oldest self made mules are only 1.5 years old now. It seems like the Odorata mules seem to grow faster but I don't have a large enough sample size to declare that as fact right now.  I plan on planting out a few Odorata mules, Catarensis mules and the two Schafer Yatay mules that I have next year. A little mule palm grove if you will. The plan is to transition from Butia to mules to butia parajubaea hydrids to jubaea hybrids to Jubaea. 

[Ben in Norcal]

Guys, anyone know where I can get a B. catarinensis?

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

2 hours ago, Ben in Norcal said:

Guys, anyone know where I can get a B. catarinensis?

I have a ton of seedlings ill send if you cover shipping.

[Ben in Norcal]

2 hours ago, TexasColdHardyPalms said:

I have a ton of seedlings ill send if you cover shipping.

Incoming!

[Darold Petty]

I obtained this Butia labeled as B. capitata, v. bonnetii.  This was supposedly a dwarf form of what is now Butia odora.  What are your thoughts, might this be a B. catarinensis?

I planted this 13 years ago when the overall palm was about 24 inches tall.  No seeds yet, although many spadices. It wants to hold many more good leaves than shown. 

 (I prune them off while still viable to avoid the parked cars and sidewalk.)  Thanks for your comments !

[Brad Mondel]

It looks like a catarinensis. I believe bonetti used to be catarinensis' old name and it was going to be its official name but they decided to go with catarinensis instead. 

[Darold Petty]

Thanks for the input, Brad.

[Las Palmas Norte]

That is a beauty Darold. Would also suit a smaller garden situation for those that want a pinnate leaved palm.

Cheers, Barrie.

[Brad Mondel]

Almost three years later and the leaflets are set flatter than the typical "V" shape of other Butias. It is more blue also. I put aquarium aragonite (crushed coral) around  the base to mimick it's natural soil conditions. 

Edited March 7, 2019 by Brad Mondel

[Vic]

That’s doing really well Brad. Mine has been very slow, i bought the seed as odorata back in 2004 and it’s not recognised as catarinensis after the renaming about 10 years ago. 

Butia is my favourite genus too. I’ve got the more common odorata, eriospatha and yatay but also have missionera, paraguayensis, florianopolis, quaraimana and a few hybrids too. 

Here is my 15 year old catarinensis. 

[Brad Mondel]

It is my favorite Genus also, I love the arched fronds. I have many odorata and one catariensis. I am unable to germinate Butia seeds so I am afraid to spend money on rare expensive seeds. I would like archeri and eriospatha, but a whole collection will do of each species! Yours looks great. They do grow much slower than odorata it seems.