Butia X Jubea in Dallas

[TonyDFW]

This specimen was acquired from Merrill Wilcox in 2000. 

Here it is  2016

 

 

here it is in 2003 

 

herebit is in 2010

2015

Edited July 13, 2016 by TonyDFW

[TonyDFW]

in 2006

[Flow]

The Butia is very visible in this one. I would have believed you if you told me it was pure Butia. A nice palm!

[Brad Mondel]

Hmm, the spines on the petioles suggest pure Butia unless it's an F2 or F3 or so on. 

[ErikSJI]

I have never seen a hybrid with spines. But then again I have never seen a Butia X jubaea in person either. Kinda looks like a Butia Yatay to me.

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

Patric schaffer B(Odorata) xJ F1 

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

JxB F1

[Brett in Mission Viejo]

Great subject. I like these hybrids. Here is a JxB F2, which the F1 was crossed back with a Butia and
yes, it has spines....but I thought it might have more recurve in the leaf with more Butia DNA. It has a ways to go to complete trunkal development and therefore may need to relocate sprinkler head as the trunk is bumping against it! 

 

[Brad Mondel]

Interesting, I was told BxJ does not have spines and is an indicator of pure Butia. According to DONAL R. HODEL of USC, BxJ has "coarse spines and fibers" and JxB has "needle like spines and fibers" so BxJ CAN have spines and I recant my statement stating that they do not have spines. 

 

You can tell exactly if it's a hybrid or not by counting the stamens of the flowers, according to the chart on page 70:

http://www.palms.org/palmsjournal/2011/v55n2p62-71.pdf

[Flow]

My Yatay x Jubaea F1 has no spines..

[Brad Mondel]

Now this is confusing. 

3 hours ago, Flow said:

My Yatay x Jubaea F1 has no spines..

Can you post pictures of your petioles so we can compare? 

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

13 hours ago, Brett in Mission Viejo said:

Great subject. I like these hybrids. Here is a JxB F2, which the F1 was crossed back with a Butia and
yes, it has spines....but I thought it might have more recurve in the leaf with more Butia DNA. It has a ways to go to complete trunkal development and therefore may need to relocate sprinkler head as the trunk is bumping against it! 

 

This palm looks like it is in deep shade, correct?

[Brett in Mission Viejo]

1 minute ago, TexasColdHardyPalms said:

This palm looks like it is in deep shade, correct?

It gets direct overhead sun from 11am until 2pm but is partially shaded in the morning and late afternoon.

[maesy]

3 hours ago, Brad Mondel said:

Now this is confusing. 

Can you post pictures of your petioles so we can compare? 

here is a picture of my yatay x jubaea. no spines!

[Brad Mondel]

1 hour ago, maesy said:

here is a picture of my yatay x jubaea. no spines!

Your hybrid  has coarse fibers at the base. 

[SailorBold]

19 hours ago, Brad Mondel said:

Interesting, I was told BxJ does not have spines and is an indicator of pure Butia. According to DONAL R. HODEL of USC, BxJ has "coarse spines and fibers" and JxB has "needle like spines and fibers" so BxJ CAN have spines and I recant my statement stating that they do not have spines. 

 

You can tell exactly if it's a hybrid or not by counting the stamens of the flowers, according to the chart on page 70:

http://www.palms.org/palmsjournal/2011/v55n2p62-71.pdf

Thanks for the link !   Interesting read there.

[SailorBold]

These hybrids are fascinating...

[Flow]

On 3.8.2016, 18:21:33, Brad Mondel said:

Now this is confusing. 

Can you post pictures of your petioles so we can compare? 

I am afraid I cannot. It is planted 4h away. But it is from the same batch as maesy's plant. So, I assume it has the same hair and I didn't remember correctly. Still, much less than your regular Butia yatay..

Edited August 5, 2016 by Flow

[ErikSJI]

On 8/3/2016, 4:01:54, maesy said:

here is a picture of my yatay x jubaea. no spines!