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Armageddon Palm - Acrocomia -- show us yours!

DoomsDave

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DoomsDave Grand Master

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Howdyall:


I was out taking pictures of another palm when I noticed the lethal Armageddon Palm.TM  It's an Acrocomia, not sure about the species, not sure the botanists agree on how many there are (let me know if I'm wrong on that!)

It's about the same size as a Syagrus romanzoffianum, but needs a lot more water to be happy.

There are so many reasons to hate them, I love them anyway. Show us yours!

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I've passed on these cause of the thorns.  I'm sick of thorns so I will enjoy your Acrocromia in your photos.  That's exactly how I enjoy Sycamores too, but for different reasons.  

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Land O Lakes FL, a suburb on the North Side of Tampa, FL

Summers are great, 90f/32c in the day & 70f/21c at night with plentiful rain & sun

Winters are subtropical with occasional frosts and freezes. Tropical cyclones happen.

We have a few Royal palms in the warm microclimates but Coconuts freeze.

I am a Kayaker, Hiker, Bicyclist, and amateur Photographer that loves the outdoors.  

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I was offered one for free and turned it down. It is basically a queen palm with spines; it is pretty cool but I wouldn't want kids around it and it probably would be a negative when/if I sell my home.

Westchase | 9b 10a  ◆  Nokomis | 10a  ◆  St. Petersburg | 10a 10b 

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BUT!

Imagine the possibilities . . .

"We have ways to make you talk. Like tying you to the Tree . . . . "

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4 hours ago, DoomsDave said:

BUT!

Imagine the possibilities . . .

"We have ways to make you talk. Like tying you to the Tree . . . . "

Oh, :blink: so it’s better to cancel my intended visit to your garden … :crying:

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11 hours ago, DoomsDave said:

It's about the same size as a Syagrus romanzoffianum, but needs a lot more water to be happy.

 

11 hours ago, RedRabbit said:

It is basically a queen palm with spines;

So from a distance it looks a lot like a Queen palm, but as you get closer, you see that it has needles so rule out the Queen?  If you get too close, or are cleaning up after it has dropped a frond, you get the benefit of experiencing the needles first hand (pun intended)?  Dave, sounds like a very subtle appeal to the most elite collector to appreciate this palm.  I will be another one, who will appreciate this palm in your garden rather than being a me-too and adding one to my garden.  :P

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So from a distance it looks a lot like a Queen palm, but as you get closer, you see that it has needles so rule out the Queen?  If you get too close, or are cleaning up after it has dropped a frond, you get the benefit of experiencing the needles first hand (pun intended)?  Dave, sounds like a very subtle appeal to the most elite collector to appreciate this palm.  I will be another one, who will appreciate this palm in your garden rather than being a me-too and adding one to my garden.  :P

Well, given it has so many thorns you can tell from more of a distance. If you took away the thorns it would basically look the same... Acrocomia totai is more cold tolerant than a queen so I recommend them for people living a little too far north to own a queen.

Westchase | 9b 10a  ◆  Nokomis | 10a  ◆  St. Petersburg | 10a 10b 

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 One of my favorites. I like them much better than the Queen Palms. Its one of those palms that says "look but do not touch'.

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Tampa Scott said:

 One of my favorites. I like them much better than the Queen Palms. Its one of those palms that says "look but do not touch'.

 

 

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That is much prettier than a queen palm.  But still, the clean up.

Land O Lakes FL, a suburb on the North Side of Tampa, FL

Summers are great, 90f/32c in the day & 70f/21c at night with plentiful rain & sun

Winters are subtropical with occasional frosts and freezes. Tropical cyclones happen.

We have a few Royal palms in the warm microclimates but Coconuts freeze.

I am a Kayaker, Hiker, Bicyclist, and amateur Photographer that loves the outdoors.  

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Not a palm you'll smuggle taped to your Sensitiveplace . . . .

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I would love to have this one in my garden.

Gorgeous palm. But unfortunately very hard to find.

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Really love this palm, have had one for a couple of years, seems to grow fairly fast......it's a  chore to trim but beauty has it's price, yes?

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12 hours ago, Pal Meir said:

Oh, :blink: so it’s better to cancel my intended visit to your garden … :crying:

We don't need to make you talk!

You just talk!

Which is great!

 

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5 minutes ago, knell said:

i want to plant a whole row of them down the driveway

I have one runt in a 5-gallon pot, exactly like the Armageddon palm you see pictured. It looks so sad, aww, poor baby, OUCH

 

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Dave,

I have a 20-22' tall guy growing at the vista garden. you have to see it in person to believe me..B)

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

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Dave,

I have a 20-22' tall guy growing at the vista garden. you have to see it in person to believe me..B)

Mines about the same size. Given plenty of water they're fast!

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Here's mine opening a new frond full of thorns. It's still a baby but its already dangerous. Ouch!

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Queens don't normally hold their fronds below horizontal do they? For that reason alone makes it more attractive IMO. 

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On 5/29/2016, 3:56:26, Cikas said:

I would love to have this one in my garden.

Gorgeous palm. But unfortunately very hard to find.

The big problem with them is that the seeds can literally take 5 years to germinate. And the spines. They'd be worth a shot where you are.

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I have a couple for sale if anyone is interested in them?

they are monster sized 15 gals...

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

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These may be javelina resistant, which is nice in my area. Javelina just ate all of the fronds off of my Sabal uresana:(

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Wow I love those thorns! I'd have one in a heartbeat if I could.

Larry Shone in wet and sunny north-east England!  Zone9 ish

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I don't know about how these look in California, but mine looks nothing like a Queen palm. The trunk is at least double the diameter of my biggest Queen! I have three pods of seeds which I think are almost ripe, if anyone wants to attempt germinating them. I am glad I have a gardener for this tree. Even pruning fronds can be dangerous. I grabbed one once with leather welding gloves and the thorns went straight thru like I was wearing the woolen mitts that my Mom knitted for me when I was a kid!

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Got half a 5 gallon pot full without even risking picking the ones from the trunk area. Anyone have any advice on germination techniques? The exocarp is tough as $@&#. I can barely scratch it with a sharp knife!

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Yours does look different.  Did you buy it locally in RGV as A. aculeata?  I germinated a seed this past year that I collected (it took about 18 months).  I took a hammer to crack the outside shell, ate the fruit (not much flesh, but tasty), then planted the cleaned seed.  Mine is growing pretty fast and I'm considering planting it out in the garden, but I'm reading where A. totai would be more cold hardy for my area.  I wouldn't mind trying again with the seed - especially if yours is more cold hardy :)  Let me know if you still have some left - I think this thread started before I joined...

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Since you have a lot I would just remove the fruit and tap them open with a hammer.  You will destroy a few but just eat the damaged ones - they taste great!  Germination can be really fast once the shell is removed.  Otherwise it's a long wait.

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I should have taken the camera to Ft. Pierce's Heathcote Botanical Gardens yesterday.  The Acrocomia is carefully kept away from people.  I carried a fallen leaf away to the trash pile.  It's taller than the garden's large Syagrus, has a comparable crown.  Spines are the worst.  Not the biggest, but the nastiest.  

Fla. climate center: 100-119 days>85 F
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Current USDA hardiness zone 10a
4 km inland from Indian River; 27º N (equivalent to Brisbane)

Central Orlando's urban heat island may be warmer than us

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They kind of make Calamus spines look tame.

A great palm to put around your boundary to keep intruders out. :D

 

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On May 28, 2016 at 10:51:46 PM, DoomsDave said:

Howdyall:


I was out taking pictures of another palm when I noticed the lethal Armageddon Palm.TM  It's an Acrocomia, not sure about the species, not sure the botanists agree on how many there are (let me know if I'm wrong on that!)

It's about the same size as a Syagrus romanzoffianum, but needs a lot more water to be happy.

There are so many reasons to hate them, I love them anyway. Show us yours!

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The wicked queen of the west?

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Land O Lakes FL, a suburb on the North Side of Tampa, FL

Summers are great, 90f/32c in the day & 70f/21c at night with plentiful rain & sun

Winters are subtropical with occasional frosts and freezes. Tropical cyclones happen.

We have a few Royal palms in the warm microclimates but Coconuts freeze.

I am a Kayaker, Hiker, Bicyclist, and amateur Photographer that loves the outdoors.  

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Just thought of this...how do you dispose of those old, dead fronds?  

Land O Lakes FL, a suburb on the North Side of Tampa, FL

Summers are great, 90f/32c in the day & 70f/21c at night with plentiful rain & sun

Winters are subtropical with occasional frosts and freezes. Tropical cyclones happen.

We have a few Royal palms in the warm microclimates but Coconuts freeze.

I am a Kayaker, Hiker, Bicyclist, and amateur Photographer that loves the outdoors.  

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I don't have any Acrocomias, but grow Astrocaryum, Aiphanes, Bactris, Verschaffeltia and Pigafetta to name a few. I do try to be careful where I plant them!

Cindy Adair

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11 hours ago, Keith in SoJax said:

The wicked queen of the west?

The palm that is!

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1 hour ago, DoomsDave said:

The palm that is!

Si!  

Land O Lakes FL, a suburb on the North Side of Tampa, FL

Summers are great, 90f/32c in the day & 70f/21c at night with plentiful rain & sun

Winters are subtropical with occasional frosts and freezes. Tropical cyclones happen.

We have a few Royal palms in the warm microclimates but Coconuts freeze.

I am a Kayaker, Hiker, Bicyclist, and amateur Photographer that loves the outdoors.  

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12 hours ago, Keith in SoJax said:

Just thought of this...how do you dispose of those old, dead fronds?  

VERY CAREFULLY.

Wear geavy-duty rubber gloves, either in the shredder or in the garbage. Thorns end up in the rug if you try to use them as kindling in the fireplace.

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Could do with with a couple of these to deter kids throwing rubbish in my front garden when on the way to school:angry:

Shame they wouldn't stand the prolonged cold and damp of a British winter and I'm damned if I'm going to have one pot plunged then have to move it:o

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