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Lytocaryum weddellianum (Syagrus weddelliana) grown up

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After weekend away I found 6 out of 12 seeds had germinated. One of the seeds is a double germinator which is something I have not seen before with Lytocaryum seeds.

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Today the last (13th) seed came off the motherplant. And now I have to wait for the next batch to mature. I love it!

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Pal Meir
1 hour ago, Kai said:

After weekend away I found 6 out of 12 seeds had germinated. One of the seeds is a double germinator which is something I have not seen before with Lytocaryum seeds.

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Today the last (13th) seed came off the motherplant. And now I have to wait for the next batch to mature. I love it!

Oh, a real Double Coconut! I had hundreds of Weddell seedlings, but not even one double … :blink:

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Kai
1 minute ago, Pal Meir said:

Oh, a real Double Coconut! I had hundreds of Weddell seedlings, but not even one double … :blink:

The same for me! One out of many many many. This natural double coconut will not be seperated in a later stadium.

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Sanips

Wow you've completed the circle way fast! Congrats for those germinations, it's clear seed freshness is a big factor.

P.D. 2 days ago I was visiting a spanish forum and I saw a thread about a flowering butia and that reminded me of you.

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Kai

Finally a perfect day to put some plants outside!

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We had to wait a long time for some warmer temperatures this spring. But it looks like it's finally here!

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Kai

And seeds keep germinating...

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9 out of 13 seeds have germinated so far. I never thought this would be possible.

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Kai

Just discovered flower spike #6! Party at my place, I'll get beer and bbq.

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Kai

It won't be long untill the 4th flower spike will pop open. I have some Butia pollen (thanks again Laaz!) with which the female flowers will be pollinated. Let's hope it works!

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Of course the seeds will be equally divided between me and the pollen donor.

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Reynevan
36 minutes ago, Kai said:

It won't be long untill the 4th flower spike will pop open. I have some Butia pollen (thanks again Laaz!) with which the female flowers will be pollinated. Let's hope it works!

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Of course the seeds will be equally divided between me and the pollen donor.

Can  I ask how does it work ? I mean pollination stuff. You are able to pollinate L.Weddellianum with completely different palm species ? Seems really interesting.

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Kai
10 minutes ago, Reynevan said:
10 minutes ago, Reynevan said:

Can  I ask how does it work ? I mean pollination stuff. You are able to pollinate L.Weddellianum with completely different palm species ? Seems really interesting.

It's hybridizing species that are related to eachother. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. It probably depends on how closely the species are related. There are already many different hybrids between Syagrus and Butia. Given Lytocaryum is now officially a Syagrus I thought I might give it a try. Wish me luck!

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Laaz

Good luck Kai!

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Sanips

Good luck Kai! I'm pretty sure you'll some success.

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Kai

Looks like some more seeds are on the way...

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Kai

All 13 germinated seeds from inflorescense #2 are now nicely potted up in small, not very deep pots as recommended by @Pal Meir

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Thanks for the pots and everything Pal!

I labeled these plants "Kai's Lytocaryum" because I feel I am their "creator".

 

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Pal Meir
34 minutes ago, Kai said:

All 13 germinated seeds from inflorescense #2 are now nicely potted up in small, not very deep pots as recommended by @Pal Meir

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Thanks for the pots and everything Pal!

I labeled these plants "Kai's Lytocaryum" because I feel I am their "creator".

 

It is a new species, so we are to use an appropriate Latin binomen: Lytocaryum batavum sive Syagrus batava. And we have to propagate this new species here in Europe because it is the only European cocosoid palm. I have begun yesterday with this important task for the whole Palm world. :innocent:

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Kai
1 hour ago, Pal Meir said:

It is a new species, so we are to use an appropriate Latin binomen: Lytocaryum batavum sive Syagrus batava. And we have to propagate this new species here in Europe because it is the only European cocosoid palm. I have begun yesterday with this important task for the whole Palm world. :innocent:

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Perfect! I will relabel them right away! To make sure that even if the botanical community doesn't agree with this new nomenclature, at least the labels will bring forth confusion for many years to come! :floor:

The seeds look very good! I expect them to germinate within days. Keep us informed.

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Pal Meir
On 4.6.2017, 14:56:28, Kai said:

Perfect! I will relabel them right away! To make sure that even if the botanical community doesn't agree with this new nomenclature, at least the labels will bring forth confusion for many years to come! :floor:

The seeds look very good! I expect them to germinate within days. Keep us informed.

Oops, what’s that? Only after three days: Happy Germination Day, N°1701! :wub:

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Kai

Very good! I will tell mother that her 3rd inflorescense was a succes again and that she has little adoptees growing up in Germany. I'm sure this good news will motivate her to produce many more future inflorescenses.

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Palmensammler

Kai,

if your "mother" is still sending up inflorescenses and you get ripe seeds it would be a pleasure for me to give them a new home in Germany too. 

I love growing plants from seed as you can watch their development right from the beginning. I do have a lot of Yucca seedlings grown from seed by my own.

Unfortunately our climate isn't good enough to grow palms outside.

Eckhard

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Kai
14 hours ago, Palmensammler said:

Kai,

if your "mother" is still sending up inflorescenses and you get ripe seeds it would be a pleasure for me to give them a new home in Germany too. 

I love growing plants from seed as you can watch their development right from the beginning. I do have a lot of Yucca seedlings grown from seed by my own.

Unfortunately our climate isn't good enough to grow palms outside.

Eckhard

Hi Eckhard,

I sent you a pm.

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Pal Meir

It is time now to give the new baby its own home. ^_^ So I prepared the soil mix (2/3 fine pine bark + 1/3 Seramis) and the pots (Ø8xH9 cm clay pots in 8x8xH9cm plastic pots):

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The pine bark from Bellandris is much worse :rant: than the former “Grabdekor” pine bark from Florasan. 

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And here is the baby N°1701 :wub: (the other four seeds are still sleeping :asleep:) and its new home: :greenthumb:

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Kai
23 minutes ago, Pal Meir said:

It is time now to give the new baby its own home. ^_^ So I prepared the soil mix (2/3 fine pine bark + 1/3 Seramis) and the pots (Ø8xH9 cm clay pots in 8x8xH9cm plastic pots):

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The pine bark from Bellandris is much worse :rant: than the former “Grabdekor” pine bark from Florasan. 

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And here is the baby N°1701 :wub: (the other four seeds are still sleeping :asleep:) and its new home: :greenthumb:

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That seems like very good home to start off with! I'm surprised that the other 4 are still sleeping. It's possible that the seeds are a bit less well developed. Inflorescense #3 got a little bend at the base of the bract. Maybe this resulted in less nutrients flowing through to the developing seeds. It also could explain just 9 seeds hanging on instead of the magnificent 13 on inflorescense #2. I will have to be more carefull in the future while pollinating to not damage the palms' precious cargo!

I have 2 seeds from infl #3 still asleep in my propagator and 2 underdeveloped seeds still hanging on the palm. We'll see what happens...

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Kai

Still waiting...

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It finally popped!

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Now I have to wait a few days for the female flowers to open. I will remove and collect the male flowers tomorrow. Goodnight everybody!

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Kai

Removing the male flowers...

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As I was scrolling through this thread to find out how long it takes before the female flowers become receptive...

The 2nd infloresence opened on October 23rd 2016. The female flowers became receptive on November 26th 2016. I don't recall it being longer than a month, but it seems I can keep the pollen in the freezer for some time.

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Sanips
On 17/6/2017 23:55:27, Kai said:

Removing the male flowers...

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That process might be called 'eye fatigue' :floor:

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Kai

Just yesterday I discovered the next flower spike. If I'm not losing count, this should be #7.

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In the back you can see the emasculated stalk #4, the large one in the front is #5, the one on the left is #6 and on the right between the petioles a tiny tip of #7 is visible.B)

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Reynevan
10 hours ago, Kai said:

Just yesterday I discovered the next flower spike. If I'm not losing count, this should be #7.

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In the back you can see the emasculated stalk #4, the large one in the front is #5, the one on the left is #6 and on the right between the petioles a tiny tip of #7 is visible.B)

Wonder how many flower spikes she's able to produce during the season :)

 

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Kai
3 hours ago, Reynevan said:

Wonder how many flower spikes she's able to produce during the season :)

 

I just hope it won't flower itself to death...

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Missi

Bahhh! Kai and Pal Meir...I learn so much from your posts! :wub: Never go anywhere!! :greenthumb:

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Kai
40 minutes ago, Missi said:

Bahhh! Kai and Pal Meir...I learn so much from your posts! :wub: Never go anywhere!! :greenthumb:

Thank you Missy!

I'm still learning myself as the learning process never ends. It would be an illusion to think otherwise. But I have a great teacher @Pal Meirwho DOES know everything!:P

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Kai

Not yet...

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Kai

Today I noticed that the offspring of flowerstalk #2 is sending up their first spikes.

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And the double germinator:

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So now I only have to wait 11 years for these little guys to become parents themselves. But time flies when you're having fun...

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Pal Meir

Good luck with your twin for the coming 11 years! :greenthumb: My L batavum is still growing only downwards, and the other 4 seeds seem to be not viable. But that doesn’t matter because the space on my window sills is extremely limited.

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Kai
3 hours ago, Pal Meir said:

Good luck with your twin for the coming 11 years! :greenthumb: My L batavum is still growing only downwards, and the other 4 seeds seem to be not viable. But that doesn’t matter because the space on my window sills is extremely limited.

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Yes as I feared the 3rd infloresence wasn't as succesfull as the 2nd. Lessons learned. If you would like some seedlings from the 2nd infloresence if you can manage to create a spot, then the free space in my overcrowded palmforest would be very welcome.

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Kai

Flower stalk #4 is almost ready for pollination!

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And at the same time flower stalk #5 is opening up.

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The timing couldn't be worse, it's as if the palm knows and is trying to sabotage my hybridizing attempt.

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Sanips

Nice! So, aren't you going to remove the 5th inflorescence?

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Kai
Just now, Sanips said:

Nice! So, aren't you going to remove the 5th inflorescence?

No I want to use all inflorescences and have them produce seeds.

#4 will be pollinated with Butia pollen. At least I'll try.

#5 maybe just regular Lyto pollen because I don't have any other pollen to experiment with. I placed a bag around it to collect the pollen.

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8 minutes ago, Kai said:

No I want to use all inflorescences and have them produce seeds.

#4 will be pollinated with Butia pollen. At least I'll try.

#5 maybe just regular Lyto pollen because I don't have any other pollen to experiment with. I placed a bag around it to collect the pollen.

Good! very productive lil' palm.

If you want more pollen maybe you could ask for it in a spanish forum such as infojardin.com, there're very friendly palm buddies.

Good luck!

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