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Need Help Choosing New Patric Hybrids

buccaneers37

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I last purchased from Patric in May 2011, now it's time for more. Please help me to decide which ones to get. Comment with your experiences: growth rates, ultimate size & uniqueness from what I already have.

From Patric:

J x S

B (capitata) x PJ cocoids

From Tejas Tropicals (I understand this may have been originally from Patric stock):

B x J

From Mark Heath:

B x S

I will probably buy one each from column A & from column B, you know, like Chinese food.

A) BJ x J or BJ x S - ?

B) Yatay x J or Yata x S - ?

Another slim possibility mat be B (paraguayensis) x PJ cocoids

Who knows, if I get a wild hair, I may buy 3.

Thanks for your help,

Wayne

52% 9B / 42% 10A / 6% "Other"

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I ha e a couole From the ones on your wishlist and the BJxS is a beautiful palm. Similar to BxS but seems faster (in our climate at least) and chunkier overall. The leaves are an attractive glossy green. It seems also pretty cold hardy. Mine does not get protected in winter.

I also have a few others and the JxS outpaces everything, as well as looking cool.

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I ha e a couole From the ones on your wishlist and the BJxS is a beautiful palm. Similar to BxS but seems faster (in our climate at least) and chunkier overall. The leaves are an attractive glossy green. It seems also pretty cold hardy. Mine does not get protected in winter.

I also have a few others and the JxS outpaces everything, as well as looking cool.

I have to definitely agree. When I got my palms from Patric in 2011, the JxS was half the size of my BxPJ cocoids. But it is now almost twice the size.

52% 9B / 42% 10A / 6% "Other"

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I have lots of Patric's hybrids:

Bp x Pjc

Bo x Pjc

J x S

Yatay x S, x2

J x B

Also have some non-Patric hybrids - lots of mules, BxJ, D. lepto x Decaryi, a ton of Coco Queens...

So far, after 1 year, the Bp x Pjc is blowing everything away, including the JxS (which is only 10 feet away)...

What else do I need? Hmmm...

Ben Rogers

On the border of Concord & Clayton in the East Bay hills - Elev 387 ft 37.95 °N, 121.94 °W

My back yard weather station: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=37.954%2C-121.945&sp=KCACONCO37

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I wish he would pollinate the bujubea with the pjc or the jubaea with pjc I'm sure it is not as easy as pick two species and combine them

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I have seen where the people in California say that the (whatever) x PJc is their fastest growing hybrid. Here in Florida, while I get nice, while nothing earth shattering, growth, it's nowhere near as impressive as JxS. Obviously it must be the climate (humidity?) here vs. Cali.

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I have seen where the people in California say that the (whatever) x PJc is their fastest growing hybrid. Here in Florida, while I get nice, while nothing earth shattering, growth, it's nowhere near as impressive as JxS. Obviously it must be the climate (humidity?) here vs. Cali.

Perhaps, but surprising to me something with a Jubaea mother would do so well in Florida...

The JxS is definitely a good grower here, but the BpxPjc is like a banana plant it grows so fast! I just put the Bo x Pjc in the ground over the winter, so it is going to be interesting to compare that to the paraguayensis...

Ben Rogers

On the border of Concord & Clayton in the East Bay hills - Elev 387 ft 37.95 °N, 121.94 °W

My back yard weather station: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=37.954%2C-121.945&sp=KCACONCO37

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Yes, I was equally surprised (and delighted)that a palm mothered by a Jubaea is doing so well here. However, the B x j is a comparative snail to both of them.

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Yatay x S

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Think I'm still leaning towards getting a BxPJC rather than JxS. I already have a (JxB)xS that sat and then spear pulled this winter. It has pushed out fresh growth and seems to be picking up the pace this spring.

A strait P. sunkha might be in the works as well....it would be more experimental up here. Would think BxPJC or BxPJT would be more ironclad though.

It is interesting that BxPJC seems to do better in Cali and JxS seems to be faster in Florida.....would like to hear from others on this subject.......one thought is that maybe peninsular and Southern Florida is not as compatible for Butia odorata as North Florida seems to be. I think Butia needs some chill hours to really do well like PJ.

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

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30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

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I wish he would pollinate the bujubea with the pjc or the jubaea with pjc I'm sure it is not as easy as pick two species and combine them

I think that has been attempted without success on several occasions. It is a shame but messing around with genetics is not easy! Sometimes things are just not compatible I guess.

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There were some JBxPJsunkha on the market a couple of years back. Not sure of the results but I *think* they turned out to be JB F1/F2/F3 etc...

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butia yatay x J can have a nice bluish tint. the yatay mules are also different looking, they can be quite upright. here is a

yatay x J from patric

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Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

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butia yatay x J can have a nice bluish tint. the yatay mules are also different looking, they can be quite upright. here is a

yatay x J from patric

Nice looking plant Tom. The leaves look flatter than would be expected of a BXJ. Should make an attractive adult. You planting it this year?

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My yatay x jubaea that I planted out last week has more green leaves with a slight tint of grey in it.

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Marcel, that looks really nice. And I like the gravel at the base.

I have one, but much smaller and it will be a while until it links that good.

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I have just started to use gravel for ground covering around the plants, and it seems to warm up the ground quit a bit better than sand.

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butia yatay x J can have a nice bluish tint. the yatay mules are also different looking, they can be quite upright. here is a

yatay x J from patric

Nice looking plant Tom. The leaves look flatter than would be expected of a BXJ. Should make an attractive adult. You planting it this year?

Steve

yep steve it goes in this year. my y x J tends to look more bluish grey green indirect sun, and more grey green in cloudy or hazy contitions. Its not as blue as my brahea clara, its closer to the color of my sabal uresana. It tends to need back reflected sunlight to show the blue.

Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

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I just ordered a J X B, a B X J, and a BJ X J from him. I already have a J X B from another source, and I have been blown away by its toughness and speed of growth. From everything that I have heard, this guy is a wizard with hybrids!

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Contact him at 7000trees@wildblue.net

I got a B x J from another source which I think originated from Patric's stock, but it has been a very slow grower for me.

1) I am going to order a J x B from him. This way I will be able to see the differences in both growth habits & ultimate looks.

2) I am going to order a Yatay x S

3) This is where I am still wavering. I'm thinking EITHER a BJ x Q OR BJ x J. The BJ x J may be too slow of a grower for me. If I had enough room, I'd settle it and just get both!

My best hybrid BY FAR has been the J x S, but because of the lack of room & the price, I don't want to have two. The PJ cocoids hybrid I already have is a slow enough grower (for me) that I discounted the B (paraguayensis) since I felt it wouldn't be that different from the capitata that I have.

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JXS is king

Anything with yata is very nice

The paraguayensis hybrids are spectacular & becoming one of my favs.

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My Yata x S, and why I recommended it. This is it today, coming out of winter. By late summer it will be even better. For scale, those Crepe Myrtles are 8-9 feet tall. The yatay is taller than it looks due to focal length and the Crepes being in the front.

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Can't wait for my Yatay mules to look like yours, Keith! A magnificent specimen...

Ben Rogers

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My back yard weather station: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=37.954%2C-121.945&sp=KCACONCO37

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My Yata x S, and why I recommended it. This is it today, coming out of winter. By late summer it will be even better. For scale, those Crepe Myrtles are 8-9 feet tall. The yatay is taller than it looks due to focal length and the Crepes being in the front.

How long has that been in the ground?

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My Yata x S, and why I recommended it. This is it today, coming out of winter. By late summer it will be even better. For scale, those Crepe Myrtles are 8-9 feet tall. The yatay is taller than it looks due to focal length and the Crepes being in the front.

How long has that been in the ground?

Put in ground in 2008. Could be larger but after first year to establish I provide no supplemental water and very little fertilizer, some years none at all.

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Hey Paul....which of your hybrids looks the least like Butia? And which is the best growing?

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

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I know I have posted these before, but I thought I'd get them all together. The picture from the day that I got my JxS and BxPJ cocoids (6/9/11) and the updated photos of them, JxS (3/3/15) & BxPJ (4/21/15). Also The earliest picture I can find of my BxJ (8/20/12 - I already had it for 2 years in a pot at the point) and the updated photo from yesterday.

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Hey Paul....which of your hybrids looks the least like Butia? And which is the best growing?

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Hard to say, they all have that butia look some different than others. I'll try and give an update late this summer. They should be settled in by then and have some nice growth.

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I have now decided which hybrids I'm going to order from Patric:

JxB

YatayxQueen

B. paraguayensisxPJC

I can't wait until these new hybrids get here!

And I also found out I that I have a mystery hybrid that I have been growing for almost 5 years that's probably not what I bought it as. I sent Patric pictures of the two hybrids I got from him. I though he might be interested in their progress since most of his feedback probably comes from California. I also sent him a picture of my BxJ that I got in 2010 because I have had two people question its parentage. He said it is more than likely not a BxJ. I will post detailed pictures in the next few day and get some more opinions.

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I wrung my hands for months trying to decide on a hybrid of choice.... I want a repeated palm around my pool to simulate a tropical resort. I settled on butia para x PJC. I think its the closest I'll get to a coconut. Unless of course the alfrediis I have turn out to be some special cold-hardy versions.

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I already have the B(capitata)xPJC. It will be interesting to see how much they may differ.

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Well, I know you will like one for sure. And while I don't have a BxJ, I do have a JxB. It is a fine looking palm, but hopefully yours will be faster. The last, I have no clue on, but for sure it will be fun.

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I wish he would pollinate the bujubea with the pjc or the jubaea with pjc I'm sure it is not as easy as pick two species and combine them

Patric said he cant get jubaea to take parajubaea pollen sadly. If it could be done it would be awesome

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Yatay x S

Keith do you have this growing? I would love to see a picture. this is a very cool hybrid

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Yatay x S

Keith do you have this growing? I would love to see a picture. this is a very cool hybrid

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/45536-need-help-choosing-new-patric-hybrids/#entry702326

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