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this post is for entertainment purposes only and must not be used as trading advice

always seek professional advice before making any actual financial transaction

Dudes-

I am getting VERY scary technical indicators on this market.

stay awake if you are in - this market is primed for a big move right now.

I will get back in if i see a crisp move to the upside that proves me wrong

I would post charts but Dean would immediately be all over me - attempting to imply I am wrong - do your own research this week

and stay on your toes !

look up "terry-t" charts as a start -oh the heck with it - here is a good start:

http://stockcharts.com/public/1172710/tenpp

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Rob - you are too much. One week ago it was this.

Dean-

right now I am long the SPX 500 and up a small amount % wise for the year 2015.

And now it is this.

I will get back in if i see a crisp move to the upside that proves me wrong

And next week it will be something else.

Check the charts for the S & P - As of the close today, the S&P is higher than it was 1 year ago, higher than it was 3 months ago, higher than it was 1 month ago, and higher than it was 5 days ago.

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Dean-

all you know is that stocks go up in a bull market.

you made a good call on apple at a time when so many stocks rocketed up also - your ship went up with the tide

I challenge you to teach me ANYTHING about the general US stock market from technical standpoint

you probably don't even understand what I posted in those charts I linked too.

I also challenge you to commit to a call -look at the pennant forming on your own chart you just posted for the SPX500

which way is it going to break ????

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Rob - Just to put things into perspective.

The very first post you made on the Stock Market was May 2012 - The Topic Title was "I think there is about to be a stock market crash."

Then in Nov. 2012, another Topic - "I think the stock market is about to crash."

Then there have been a dozen other SELL SELL SELLs, CLUNKS, DOWN WE GO, and INTO THE ABYSS.

If you would have bought the S&P on the day of your very first Crash Call, and just forgot about the Market, you would be up over 54% today (1300pts. to over 2000pts. on the S&P). In fact, you would be higher today if you would have bought on any one of your down calls.

Here's the 3 Year Chart:

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if worms had machine guns would birds still mess with them ?

make a call Dean - which way does that pennant at the end of the SPX500 chart break ????

(I assume you are very bullish and inclined to let things ride)

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if worms had machine guns would birds still mess with them ?

make a call Dean - which way does that pennant at the end of the SPX500 chart break ????

(I assume you are very bullish and inclined to let things ride)

Rob - why should I take the time to again explain to you what I look for when buying and selling. And to confess once again that I am not as smart as you - therefore I have never claimed to be able to make such short term calls. I know I have told you both those things on numerous occasions.

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Optimists fare better in the stock market than pessimists. Fact.

Kim Cyr

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Except in October of 1929.

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

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Rob,

Does all of the buying and selling on technical analysis lead you to out perform the market after taxes and fees? I would bet a significant amount it leads to you underperforming by a very large amount.

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Except in October of 1929.

A proper balance of stocks and bonds would have pulled through those years fine, just like the people that stuck to their plan made it through the last crash and every other crash. The pessimists who pulled their money out and put it under the mattress are the ones that didn't do so well.

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Except in October of 1929.

Fortunes were made that year for traders like Rob, who could foresee the downdrafts and shorted the market.

If Rob had the confidence, and was correct in his own crash calls, he would go short - and be making big bucks.

But it is so easy to constntly throw out predictions. And if he had shorted his call from yesterday, he would be hurting today. Instead he just missed out once again on a nice gain.

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The pessimists who pulled their money out and put it under the mattress are the ones that didn't do so well.

And today, money in the bank is almost as bad as putting it in under the mattress.

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if worms had machine guns would birds still mess with them ?

make a call Dean - which way does that pennant at the end of the SPX500 chart break ????

(I assume you are very bullish and inclined to let things ride)

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Optimists fare better in the stock market than pessimists. Fact.

Kim-

What did you tell your clients in 2007 when their $1,000,000 in the market had dropped to $337,000 ?

Dean - make a call - which way does this market break - right here and now

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Optimists fare better in the stock market than pessimists. Fact.

Kim-

What did you tell your clients in 2007 when their $1,000,000 in the market had dropped to $337,000 ?

Dean - make a call - which way does this market break - right here and now

Rob - this is the last time I will answer this. You can ask a dozen more times, and the answer will be the same as the last dozen times you asked.

I can not tell you what the market will do day to day, or even week to week. I never once claimed to be able to. And it has become clear to me that you can not do so either.

All I have ever "claimed" is to have a "trading" (not investing) method that has worked for me over the last 5-6 years. That is, indentifying rare extremes in particular issues that may be at turning points. I have failed at every other trading method I have tried. And what do I care that the market was down 100pts today - both Apple and Oil were up?

So I wll continue to maintain, that for individuals like you and me, there are better odds at the crap table than trying to time the market in the short term.

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Dean,

I am pretty sure you did make a call when you bought oil and Apple.

Rob,

I am still interested in hearing if you outperform the market with your strategy. I underperform by exactly the fees I pay, which I keep as low as possible.

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up we go again

news that Greece told Merkel - extend me a big extension on the payment or I go to bed with Russia.

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Rob - you are too much. One week ago it was this.

Rob - you are too much. One week ago it was this.

Dean-

right now I am long the SPX 500 and up a small amount % wise for the year 2015.

And now it is this.

I will get back in if i see a crisp move to the upside that proves me wrong

And next week it will be something else.

I can't call the market, but I can call Rob.

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Rob - you are too much. One week ago it was this.

Dean-

right now I am long the SPX 500 and up a small amount % wise for the year 2015.

And now it is this.

I will get back in if i see a crisp move to the upside that proves me wrong

And next week it will be something else.

I can't call the market, but I can call Rob.

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Optimists fare better in the stock market than pessimists. Fact.

Kim-

What did you tell your clients in 2007 when their $1,000,000 in the market had dropped to $337,000 ?

Dean - make a call - which way does this market break - right here and now

2007? That didn't happen to my clients.

Kim Cyr

Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
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And Rob - if Kim would have told her clients to sit tight, and stick to the well thought out long range plan - which I bet she did - they all would have been just fine.

But if they would have used your "system" of selling on Tuesday, then buying again on Friday, only to sell again on Monday - you would have us believe they would be richer today.

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all they would have done is wanted to "puke in a bucket " when 65% of their money was gone

tell me how you were feeling when you road it into the abyss in 2008....................... :interesting:

"buy and hold" is for suckers

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My methods are for investing, not trading, and will be of no interest to traders. Moves are incremental, calculated adjustments, fine tuning, and rarely involve "the obvious". B-o-r-i-n-g! 2008 was rough, but toward the end of the year and into 2009 it presented extraordinary opportunities and made all the years since then very rewarding, far exceeding the trip down, in some cases many times over. These methods are not entertaining, but they are effective. Just for the record, no clients suffered the drop mentioned above, not by a long shot, though it was indeed very painful. In the long run, enduring some pain now and then pays off handsomely. It would be fun to tell war stories, but that is not possible, sorry.

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and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
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here is the problem.

if you invest at the wrong time you make no money or worse lose money as this chart illustrates:

heck it could be flat for 15 years - i am outta here

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all they would have done is wanted to "puke in a bucket " when 65% of their money was gone

tell me how you were feeling when you road it into the abyss in 2008....................... :interesting:

"buy and hold" is for suckers

Rob - I would so love to sit across a poker table from you, with your $2500 stack of chips.

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here is the problem.

if you invest at the wrong time you make no money

Here is the problem - you don't understand "investing."

You "invest" over a lifetime, 40-50 years, you average in over decades, and stay in the market. The numbers don't lie.

You don't invest by jumping in and out of the market as often as you change your underwear.

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here is the problem.

if you invest at the wrong time you make no money

Here is the problem - you don't understand "investing."

You "invest" over a lifetime, 40-50 years, you average in over decades, and stay in the market. The numbers don't lie.

You don't invest by jumping in and out of the market as often as you change your underwear and / or avatar..

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"buy and hold" is for suckers

What is your method for accumulating gains exceeding 1,000%?

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Rob everyone has told you their methods. You are the one who has some mystery buy and sell system, and is painfully obvious to everyone but yourself that it is not working. We have been in a raging bull market ever since you started the stock talk, not in one of your feared bear markets. Using your own logic you should have been invested this entire time, like the rest of us.

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"buy and hold" is for suckers

What is your method for accumulating gains exceeding 1,000%?

Kim - since you will never get an answer, let me answer it for Rob.

Rob does have a system, and it is fool proof. It will always be on the right side of the market. It is all knowing, all seeing, and all profitable. It works whenever and wherever it is applied - not only in the stock market - but in all areas of your life. I have known many who have used it extensively and always with great confidence.

It is known as hindsight.

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Dean-

funny thing is you never did say what % you are up for the year 2014- total assets - not just the 3% you have in apple.

had Apple gone down you would have told us you were in just a very small amount - now that it rocketed you are in a huge amount.

yes Dean there has been a major bull market - problem is you were timid and only put in a small amount of what you had to work with. the rest was left in safe heaven funds that made you very little

you could sell ice to an Eskimo.

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Rob - there are no secrets here.

I was up in 2014 what Apple was up - it was the only stock I owned in all of 2014, and I was margined to boot. I don't know where you get a number like 3%. More than 100% of my trading money was in Apple.

The last 20% of my investment portfolio was sold in 2013. I no longer invest - and as I told you - I averaged out over a 5 year time frame with very satisfactory returns - despite all your dreaded crashes. Now, as I have also told you, I am trying to make money now by trading - but a radically different style than your "system." I would bet everything I have that you have not even kept pace with the market (after expenses) over any length of time.

So you can check the math. Since I purchased Apple in mid-year 2013, as of today it is up 107%. And something like +75% the last 12 months. So now that I have a new position in oil that is up 25% in less than a month - the last two years have been the most profitable two years in stocks for me ever.

But I am mostly doing this for fun - however, the profits have been nice. And I have tried to share with you a system that has been working for me the last 6-7 years. And I have tried, and failed, at many if not all. If you don't want to learn from other's mistakes, that is up to you. And if you have done better than I since we started with this discussion almost two years ago, then more power to you.

But I have known many gamblers who tell me about the money they make everytime they go to Vegas. And at the Track. And at the Indian Casinos. Yet for some strange reason, they are all still living paycheck to paycheck.

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what % is your "trading money" to your total available funds ?

so to put it another way just using a round number

if you have $100,000 to work with and elected to put 1% to a trading fund you would have 1,000 to buy stocks and oil

so lets say the market went up 15% and you got it all you would really only be up .15 % (lets leave out margin )

so where do you fit in this situation using the %'s - not the actual figures of course.

remember you are the guy who radically reduced his stock exposure- right before one of the biggest rallies of all time. you even admit it in the post above.

ps: the part about me not being even with the market is totally wrong - you dont even have a clue

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what % is your "trading money" to your total available funds ?

so to put it another way just using a round number

if you have $100,000 to work with and elected to put 1% to a trading fund you would have 1,000 to buy stocks and oil

so lets say the market went up 15% and you got it all you would really only be up .15 % (lets leave out margin )

so where do you fit in this situation using the %'s - not the actual figures of course.

remember you are the guy who radically reduced his stock exposure- right before one of the biggest rallies of all time. you even admit it in the post above.

ps: the part about me not being even with the market is totally wrong - you dont even have a clue

I think it is finally time to give up on you.

Since I have mentioned several times that I am on margin, that should tell you I am in for more than what my "available funds" are.

And yes, there is an age at which to reduce one's exposure to the market - to gradually take the decades of gains off the table, retire, and focus more on secure monthly income instead of asset appreciation.

But I cannot argue - your system of hindsight will always trump any gains I could ever have. So, I will admit defeat.

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