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can you ID this king palm?


Josh-O

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Hi everyone, I have a mystery 15 gal King palm that flushes reddish colored leaves that I'm trying to ID. They start out pretty red then turn green in about 2-3 weeks time. The trunk has a very pronounced stepped ring profile. The leaflets are silvery on the undersides. Thanks for your help :)

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Thanks for looking :greenthumb:

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here is a close up of the underside of the leaflets. I used a white grease pen to show the contrast.

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Wow, that is really red for an Archontophoenix. I don't recall seeing one that pronounced before

Matt Bradford

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Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

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Silvery underside, short petiole, and red leaves i say maxima on steroids .You have one with extra red thats awesome kinda like a really purple A. purpera. :greenthumb: SCORE

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Archontophoenix macrocarpa :) No, seriously, that is one beautiful pair of Archontophoenix, reddish like a flamethrower palm. Are you getting it in the ground soon, Josh?

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They were sold to me as A. Alex. Sp. Beatrice????

I was told that Alexander kings don't open with red leaves but all the research I've done suggests that they can and do.

anyone else have some thoughts?? Any Arcon pros out there??

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Archontophoenix macrocarpa :) No, seriously, that is one beautiful pair of Archontophoenix, reddish like a flamethrower palm. Are you getting it in the ground soon, Josh?

Archontophoenix macrocarpa, I LOVE IT!!!! :floor: I'm going to put a couple in the ground but, I have a bunch I plan on selling. I just want to make sure I know exactly how to label the tags before they find new homes.

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OOPS i mean A. purpurea

I know what you meant :greenthumb::winkie::mrlooney:

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Sunset zone 24

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They were sold to me as A. Alex. Sp. Beatrice????

I was told that Alexander kings don't open with red leaves but all the research I've done suggests that they can and do.

anyone else have some thoughts?? Any Arcon pros out there??

Josh, My only Beatrice, which is about twelve feet tall, only put's out green new fronds. That's not to say others are just like it though.

Jim in Los Altos, CA  SF Bay Area 37.34N- 122.13W- 190' above sea level

zone 10a/9b

sunset zone 16

300+ palms, 90+ species in the ground

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They were sold to me as A. Alex. Sp. Beatrice????

I was told that Alexander kings don't open with red leaves but all the research I've done suggests that they can and do.

anyone else have some thoughts?? Any Arcon pros out there??

Josh, My only Beatrice, which is about twelve feet tall, only put's out green new fronds. That's not to say others are just like it though.

did it open red as a smaller plant?

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

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They were sold to me as A. Alex. Sp. Beatrice????

I was told that Alexander kings don't open with red leaves but all the research I've done suggests that they can and do.

anyone else have some thoughts?? Any Arcon pros out there??

Josh, My only Beatrice, which is about twelve feet tall, only put's out green new fronds. That's not to say others are just like it though.

do you have any pictures of your Beatrice?

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

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They were sold to me as A. Alex. Sp. Beatrice????

I was told that Alexander kings don't open with red leaves but all the research I've done suggests that they can and do.

anyone else have some thoughts?? Any Arcon pros out there??

Josh, My only Beatrice, which is about twelve feet tall, only put's out green new fronds. That's not to say others are just like it though.

did it open red as a smaller plant?

No, always green.

Jim in Los Altos, CA  SF Bay Area 37.34N- 122.13W- 190' above sea level

zone 10a/9b

sunset zone 16

300+ palms, 90+ species in the ground

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They were sold to me as A. Alex. Sp. Beatrice????

I was told that Alexander kings don't open with red leaves but all the research I've done suggests that they can and do.

anyone else have some thoughts?? Any Arcon pros out there??

Josh, My only Beatrice, which is about twelve feet tall, only put's out green new fronds. That's not to say others are just like it though.

do you have any pictures of your Beatrice?

Even though it's a big plant with several feet of trunk, it's sandwiched between and behind a very big Sabal bermudana and a Syagrus montgomeryana. The only way to get a clear shot would be to break through my, almost never in town, neighbors locked gate and go into their backyard. I'll see if I can get a picture from my side in a day or so.

Jim in Los Altos, CA  SF Bay Area 37.34N- 122.13W- 190' above sea level

zone 10a/9b

sunset zone 16

300+ palms, 90+ species in the ground

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Like Matt, I've never ever seen an Archie even close to being that red in a new leaf before. If it's a consistent trait, it's a real find. Archies get about three or four times as many leaves a year as Chambeyronias.

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Sorry to say it is not a consistent trait. I observed a few very red leaves open on the Archontopheonix alexandrea I planted in my parents garden. It was something that happened when the plants were young and also only during the cooler part of the year. It seemed like it was something the plant grew out off.

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Alexanders on the lot next to mine in Hawaii do open a reddish leaf, but not nearly that red, and it fades very quickly.

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Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
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In my old yard I had a maxima, tukeri and a mystery alex from a big box store and they would all open red to bronze/orange from time to time. None of them did it consistently and the color would vary and as Pip mentioned it was more pronounced during cooler months. All of them were under 10 years old and had not flowered yet. Is Beatrice a recognized species or is it a variant of alexander?

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Vista, CA

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my beatrice puts out a yellow leaf for a few days but nothing like yours. one of my alex puts out a pinkish leaf but again nothing like yours. thats the reddest archy ive seen yet. very nice!

"it's not dead it's sleeping"

Santee ca, zone10a/9b

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avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

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Alexanders on the lot next to mine in Hawaii do open a reddish leaf, but not nearly that red, and it fades very quickly.

Kim, How big are the Alexanders in the lot next to yours?

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

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In my old yard I had a maxima, tukeri and a mystery alex from a big box store and they would all open red to bronze/orange from time to time. None of them did it consistently and the color would vary and as Pip mentioned it was more pronounced during cooler months. All of them were under 10 years old and had not flowered yet. Is Beatrice a recognized species or is it a variant of alexander?

I have always been to that Beatrice is a sub species of Alex??

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Alexanders on the lot next to mine in Hawaii do open a reddish leaf, but not nearly that red, and it fades very quickly.

Kim, How big are the Alexanders in the lot next to yours?

I would estimate the tallest to be about 30 ft. and there are a few in the 8 - 15 ft. range. They are considered invasive. I find seedlings all over the place and remove them before they get big, which doesn't take long.

Kim Cyr

Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
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According to Kew, 'Beatrice' is a synonym, not an accepted name. These older names are often used in commerce to differentiate variations, but I have no special knowledge of this palm.

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Kim Cyr

Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
All characters  in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

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They were sold to me as A. Alex. Sp. Beatrice????

I was told that Alexander kings don't open with red leaves but all the research I've done suggests that they can and do.

anyone else have some thoughts?? Any Arcon pros out there??

Josh, My only Beatrice, which is about twelve feet tall, only put's out green new fronds. That's not to say others are just like it though.

do you have any pictures of your Beatrice?

Even though it's a big plant with several feet of trunk, it's sandwiched between and behind a very big Sabal bermudana and a Syagrus montgomeryana. The only way to get a clear shot would be to break through my, almost never in town, neighbors locked gate and go into their backyard. I'll see if I can get a picture from my side in a day or so.

maybe a mission impossible recon trip through your neighbors yard for some Arkie pic's?? LOL :winkie:

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According to Kew, 'Beatrice' is a synonym, not an accepted name. These older names are often used in commerce to differentiate variations, but I have no special knowledge of this palm.

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thanks for posting that Kim.

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

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Here's Louis Hooper's stepped trunk Archontophoenix alexandrae and what I thought was var. Beatrice.

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Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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One of my two Archontophoenix alexandrae consistently opens red new leafs during the cooler months of the year and my other one has opened red in a few occusions. Redness varies from part red part yellow/green, to full red to brownish red.

Here is one of the red new leafs:

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One of my two Archontophoenix alexandrae consistently opens red new leafs during the cooler months of the year and my other one has opened red in a few occusions. Redness varies from part red part yellow/green, to full red to brownish red.

Here is one of the red new leafs:

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Melissia, Does you A. Alex have a stepped trunk?? can you post a picture?

Thanks for posting the red emergent leaf pic' they are amazing!!!

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I'd say just a regular Alex. I've had several in the yard with various shades of red on the new leaf and i agree with Pip, I've only seen it in younger palms. There are probably several hundred thousand Alex's on the island and I've never seen the red leaf on mature ones. Wonderful sight though. Here are a few photos of one in the front yard which was taken out a few years back to make way for a D. pilulifera.

Tim

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Tim

Hilo, Hawaii

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Thank you, glad you like it! :)

The leaf you see was grrown on a trunked specimen, not a young palm and I would say the color intensiy is not diminishing at all as it grows bigger so far. But it usually opens red in cooler weather, not during summer.

It doesn't have much of a stepped trunk but the internodes are nice and long as it's in a forest setting. Here is an older photo of the trunk:

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I will get a new photo and post as well

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One of my two Archontophoenix alexandrae consistently opens red new leafs during the cooler months of the year and my other one has opened red in a few occusions. Redness varies from part red part yellow/green, to full red to brownish red.

Here is one of the red new leafs:

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That is really red. Chambeyronia red.

Beatiful palm. :)

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Thank you Jurica! :)

The red new leafs were a nice surprise and bonus on my A. alexandrae. It first opened with a hint of red on its very first leaf since I got it and has opened in various shades of red, impressive colors! The great thing with Archontophoenix is that they are fast palms and you get to enjoy them big pretty fast. Now, when they open red as well, they are awesome!

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Here is an updated photo of the trunk

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Numerous splits are present as it grows in girth too fast when the first rains come and water table gets shallow

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Thank you, glad you like it! :)

The leaf you see was grrown on a trunked specimen, not a young palm and I would say the color intensiy is not diminishing at all as it grows bigger so far. But it usually opens red in cooler weather, not during summer.

It doesn't have much of a stepped trunk but the internodes are nice and long as it's in a forest setting. Here is an older photo of the trunk:

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I will get a new photo and post as well

-Konstantinos

Thanks for the trunk detail picture :) great looking palm

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

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One of my two Archontophoenix alexandrae consistently opens red new leafs during the cooler months of the year and my other one has opened red in a few occusions. Redness varies from part red part yellow/green, to full red to brownish red.

Here is one of the red new leafs:

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IMG_4392a.jpg

IMG_4398a.jpg

That is really red. Chambeyronia red.

Beatiful palm. :)

WOW!! She's a beauty!! Great picture!! :greenthumb::greenthumb:

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Here's Louis Hooper's stepped trunk Archontophoenix alexandrae and what I thought was var. Beatrice.

Wazzzzup Matty!! Louis Hoopers A. Beatrice trunk detail matches up with all the larger specimens of this palm I've seen thus far. Thanks for sharing this picture :greenthumb:

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anyone else want to chime in??

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