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A couple of cool hybrids discovered today- Hyophorbe & Dypsis


JD in the OC

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This one was grown from a single seed off a Dypsis decaryi (Triangle Palm). It is probably hybridized with D. lutescens or D. madagascariensis. My vote is for D. lutescens due to the branching trunk on the left that can be seen in the second picture (which the owner pointed out). D. lutescens tend to branch above ground more than D. madagascariensis. By the way, the owner would be willing to sell the tree to a collector to make room for something else there. Price is $4,500.

Dypsis_decaryi_x_lutescens_whole2_zpsf28

Dypsis_decaryi_x_lutescens_trunk_zps36ac

Dypsis_decaryi_x_lutescens_crown_zps2c1e

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This one is a bit of a mystery. It was discovered in a large commercial batch of Hyophorbe lagenicaulis (Bottle Palms), but is not a pure Bottle Palm. It does not seem to be any interspecific cross either (I have grown all of them). Instead, the owner theorized that it could be an intergeneric hybrid. The leaflets and stem base are reminiscent of Dictyosperma!!! (Both of which are endemic to the same region of the Indian Ocean, correct?)

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I think the triangles are triangles, not hybrids. Sometimes damage or some reason for inner fight for life from some form of stress can cause the double heading of a palm. And the Dictyosperma is just that.

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

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The first one certainly looks like 1 of the madagascariensis types to me, if you hadn't of mentioned it came from a decaryii seed I would have thought that a madagascariensis type was a given? Great looking palm alright!

Second one does look pretty much straight dictyosperma to me?

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The top pic looks similar to my D. madagascarensis. These palms often throw out suckers too.

Here's mine..... :)

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Nick C - Living it up in tropical 'Nam....

 

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10°.57'N - 106°.50'E

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Wal's got it. The 2nd "cross" looks completely like Dictyosperma var rubrum. Very cool palm, but hard to believe there's Hyophorbe in it. Still, ya never know.

Bret

 

Coastal canyon area of San Diego

 

"In the shadow of the Cross"

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I've got a similar sized Dictyosperma too. Bought the seed as Dictyosperma album var rubrum and it does seem to share many similarities with your second palm.

Here's mine for comparison....

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They also tend to develop a 'bulbous' base at quite an early stage.

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Nick C - Living it up in tropical 'Nam....

 

PHZ - 13

 

10°.57'N - 106°.50'E

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Good stuff guys! I would like to reiterate:

1)Dypsis hybrid was grown from a Dypsis decaryi batch of seeds... Was not just some random seedling found growing around the nursery.

2)hyophorbe hybrid was found within a massive crop of hyophorbe lagenicaulis grown from the same seed batch. it is short and stalky with a bulbous base.. Not indicative of regular Dictyosperma album.

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I just received a PM from a fellow IPS member who I will keep anonymous and I couldn't help but find its candor disconcerting:

"Sounds like you have some nice hybrids growing. I still need to pick up a leptochielos x decayri (or cadabae), but I have no where to put it. I must wait...

It's a shame that people give your business such a hard time here. That hybrid triple (if forgot the hybrid) is clearly not a standard triple triangle."

Frankly, I tend to agree with this person. I would think that my 10 years on this board and over 2,000 posts would merit some accuracy to my palm identifications and by now I would be able to tell what a standard Dypsis decaryi looks like or whether or not a seed came off a Hyophorbe or Dictyosperma. I take the time to photograph and post palms that have sometimes never been seen before on the Palmtalk board only to receive comments from some members that are so preposterous they are borderline patronizing.

Yes, I do own a nursery and sell plants for a living, but very few of my 2,000+ posts in the past 10 years were to try to "push" any of my inventory, but instead to share my experiences, spread information, and have fun with this hobby that we all love. My company does very well on its own and sales to palmtalk members are only a tiny fraction of our gross sales. That being said, I very much appreciate the business and support of those who order from Seabreeze Nurseries and I can truly say that nearly all of those buyers are wonderful, emphatic, palm-loving people!

In the future, for those who do care, new pictures and discussions can be found on my company website. Thanks.

JD

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Kind of a shame you pulled the pictures off and don't plan on posting any in the future over a couple of responses that disagreed with your opinion. I personally always enjoy your posts on here and generally find them particularly interesting. There's not many people on here that have as much knowledge of hybrid palms as you do. People aren't always going to agree with you here, but that just makes more room for open discussion and the chance to possibly learn something new. In regards to your original post, based off what I remember seeing in the pictures I don't know how the first palm could be confused with a triangle palm, the trunk alone was a dead give away for that. As for the madagascariensis possibility, the crownshaft and leaflet arrangement didn't look right for that to me, but with the variability of madagascariensis I couldn't count it out completely. My guess would be a decaryi X lutescens too personally. The Hyophorbe/Dictyosperma I don't really have an input on personally seeing as I've only grown Dictyosperma's from seed and never any Hyophorbe's. Regardless I really do hope you continue to post topics like this on here.

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I just received a PM from a fellow IPS member who I will keep anonymous and I couldn't help but find its candor disconcerting:

"Sounds like you have some nice hybrids growing. I still need to pick up a leptochielos x decayri (or cadabae), but I have no where to put it. I must wait...

It's a shame that people give your business such a hard time here. That hybrid triple (if forgot the hybrid) is clearly not a standard triple triangle."

Frankly, I tend to agree with this person. I would think that my 10 years on this board and over 2,000 posts would merit some accuracy to my palm identifications and by now I would be able to tell what a standard Dypsis decaryi looks like or whether or not a seed came off a Hyophorbe or Dictyosperma. I take the time to photograph and post palms that have sometimes never been seen before on the Palmtalk board only to receive comments from some members that are so preposterous they are borderline patronizing.

Yes, I do own a nursery and sell plants for a living, but very few of my 2,000+ posts in the past 10 years were to try to "push" any of my inventory, but instead to share my experiences, spread information, and have fun with this hobby that we all love. My company does very well on its own and sales to palmtalk members are only a tiny fraction of our gross sales. That being said, I very much appreciate the business and support of those who order from Seabreeze Nurseries and I can truly say that nearly all of those buyers are wonderful, emphatic, palm-loving people!

In the future, for those who do care, new pictures and discussions can be found on my company website. Thanks.

JD

I am not really sure what the Dypsis cross is but I can say with 100% certainity that the "hyophorbe hybrid" is not a Hyophorbe. Sorry but nothing about it is Hyophorbe. I would not get to hung up on it being in a lot of something else because I have seen many times a random seed end up where it shouldn't be. I have also seen nurseryman lose tags and best guess what some small plant is and throw it in that group. Not saying you did this, but I have personally witnessed it. That is how my Moratia turned out to be a Dypsis lanceolata :). The other thing is that while Hyophorbe's will hybridize inner species, they won't cross species hybridize. So you won't have a Hyophorbe x Dictyosperma for example. Was it some Dictyosperma cross? Couldn't tell you.

My first thought on the Dypsis was Cabadae x Madagascariensis. Look at the leaflets, sometimes they are irregular which tells me it is a hybrid. But who can say for sure.

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

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Did I miss something?

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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Being a relative newbie to this board doesn't necessarily mean that I have little experience of palms. In all honesty I've probably grown more palms in more countries than most on here and I have been doing it since 1998.

It takes time to learn who is who on here and I understand that it also takes a while to be openly accepted on boards such as these. However unfortunately, I don't have the time to trawl through every member's posts in attempts to assess their level of expertise and knowledge. I keep being told by other members to plug away, help others and do my best to earn my stripes, but if this is the kind of attitude that is going to prevail, then quite honestly, I won't bother in the future.....

Nick C - Living it up in tropical 'Nam....

 

PHZ - 13

 

10°.57'N - 106°.50'E

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Wow.

Seems that the OP wasn't posted for discussion. It was posted to find a buyer, for big money. Hence the extreme reaction to any opinion differing the original OP. Looks like it missed the purpose of this forum by a mile.

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this thread reads a lot like another one posted by JD:

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/42020-adonidia-x-veitchia-show-some-interesting-traits/

I got the same vibe, as you can see in post #21.

I have no problem with discussing palm trees worldwide... you just have to accept that other people are going to have differing opinions than you sometime. its a great learning opportunity

Grant
Long Beach, CA

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Wow.

Seems that the OP wasn't posted for discussion. It was posted to find a buyer, for big money. Hence the extreme reaction to any opinion differing the original OP. Looks like it missed the purpose of this forum by a mile.

Selling palm trees worldwide?

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Wow.

Seems that the OP wasn't posted for discussion. It was posted to find a buyer, for big money. Hence the extreme reaction to any opinion differing the original OP. Looks like it missed the purpose of this forum by a mile.

Selling palm trees worldwide?

Yep - I missed that. Topic should have been moved a long time ago. But since it has matured here, and the topic now speaks for itself with an interesting lesson, I think I'll leave it here.

Thanks to those of you who help make this a fun and friendly forum.

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Being a relative newbie to this board doesn't necessarily mean that I have little experience of palms. In all honesty I've probably grown more palms in more countries than most on here and I have been doing it since 1998.

It takes time to learn who is who on here and I understand that it also takes a while to be openly accepted on boards such as these. However unfortunately, I don't have the time to trawl through every member's posts in attempts to assess their level of expertise and knowledge. I keep being told by other members to plug away, help others and do my best to earn my stripes, but if this is the kind of attitude that is going to prevail, then quite honestly, I won't bother in the future.....

Nick,

Please don't let one disgruntled user dissuade you from participating here. It's hard for me to understand, but a very small handful of users bristle with indignation when they are disagreed with. But be assured, they are few and far between. Most of us realize we can occasionally be wrong - or that someone may just happen to have a different opinion.

Thanks to those of you who help make this a fun and friendly forum.

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Nick....I agree with Dean, your a good asset here AND you live in a fascinating area that few of us have ever traveled to. You have a lot of information that can be told here, and learned from.

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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No worries!

Just put it down to me having one of my 'red mist' moments.

Anyway, many thanks for your kind words :)

Nick C - Living it up in tropical 'Nam....

 

PHZ - 13

 

10°.57'N - 106°.50'E

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Wow, different opinions - what a concept! :mrlooney: And Nick, yes, please keep plugging away - always enjoy your posts! :)

Bo-Göran

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

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Nick,

Jag är totalt imponerad! Lycka till med dina palmer! :)

Bo-Göran

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

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Ahh...men jag bodde i Sverige i nästa 9 år, så jag kan några få ord ju :)

Naturligtvis får jag tackar igen, men vi får nog återvända till engelska annars blir alla andra medlemer galna på oss :winkie:

Nick C - Living it up in tropical 'Nam....

 

PHZ - 13

 

10°.57'N - 106°.50'E

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Joe, post your pics again, if you can.

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

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