Fantasy Mule (Butia x Syagrus) Hybrids

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What combination would be your fantasy mule and why?

What would be the thinnest trunked of both species?

Feel free to share pics of some of the more unusual species listed. Limit it to only Butia and Syagrus species.......Jubaea, Allagoptera, Parajubaea, Coco's and Jubaeopsis are not the same animal and are not invited to this party.

I pulled these off Wikipedia:

Butia species

  1. Butia archeri
  2. Butia campicola
  3. Butia capitata
  4. Butia catarinensis
  5. Butia eriospatha
  6. Butia exilata
  7. Butia exospadix
  8. Butia lallemantii
  9. Butia lepidotispatha
  10. Butia leptospatha
  11. Butia marmorii
  12. Butia matogrossensis
  13. Butia microspadix
  14. Butia noblickii
  15. Butia odorata
  16. Butia paraguayensis
  17. Butia pubispatha
  18. Butia purpurascens
  19. Butia quaraimana
  20. Butia stolonifera
  21. Butia yatay

Syagrus Species

  1. Syagrus allagopteroides
  2. Syagrus amara
  3. Syagrus angustifolia
  4. Syagrus botryophora
  5. Syagrus caerulescens
  6. Syagrus campestris
  7. Syagrus campylospatha
  8. Syagrus cardenasii
  9. Syagrus cearensis
  10. Syagrus cerqueirana
  11. Syagrus cocoides
  12. Syagrus comosa
  13. Syagrus coronata
  14. Syagrus deflexa
  15. Syagrus duartei
  16. Syagrus evansiana
  17. Syagrus flexuosa
  18. Syagrus glaucescens
  19. Syagrus glazioviana
  20. Syagrus gouveiana
  21. Syagrus graminifolia
  22. Syagrus harleyi
  23. Syagrus inajai
  24. Syagrus itacambirana
  25. Syagrus kellyana
  26. Syagrus lilliputiana
  27. Syagrus loefgrenii
  28. Syagrus lorenzoniorum
  29. Syagrus macrocarpa
  30. Syagrus mendanhensis
  31. Syagrus microphylla
  32. Syagrus minor
  33. Syagrus oleracea
  34. Syagrus orinocensis
  35. Syagrus petraea
  36. Syagrus picrophylla
  37. Syagrus pleioclada
  38. Syagrus pleiocladoides
  39. Syagrus pompeoi
  40. Syagrus procumbens
  41. Syagrus pseudococos
  42. Syagrus romanzoffiana
  43. Syagrus rupicola
  44. Syagrus ruschiana
  45. Syagrus sancona
  46. Syagrus santosii
  47. Syagrus schizophylla
  48. Syagrus smithii
  49. Syagrus stenopetala
  50. Syagrus stratincola
  51. Syagrus vagans
  52. Syagrus vermicularis
  53. Syagrus weddelliana
  54. Syagrus werdermannii
  55. Syagrus x camposportoana
  56. Syagrus x costae
  57. Syagrus x fairchildensis
  58. Syagrus x matafome
  59. Syagrus x teixeiriana
  60. Syagrus x tostana
  61. Syagrus yungasensis

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Butia eriospatha x Syagrus rupicola. (I have a seedling that i have to repot)

(Butia eriospatha x B. microspadix) x slender trunk Syagrus romanzoffiana (or maybe my S. cardenasii ? :winkie: or S. loefgrenii that both will flower....)

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Alberto....having a real hard time finding a picture of Syagrus rupicola ....how bout a picture of your papa plant and baby mule.

Really just having a hard time finding pictures and/or descriptions on a lot of these palms.

You would think in this internet era that we live in that there would be pictures of all these species available.

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I don't think.. at least in my climate that I would ever be able to grow any type of mule palm let alone Syagrus. I never fully researched it.

I think a cool hybrid would be a smaller dwarf species.. like Butia archeri x Syagrus romanzoffiana..

Maybe it would produce a hardy 'Areca' -type palm that is leaf hardy and stays smaller in stature. I don't know much about Syagrus for that matter but perhaps a thinner trunked- type will yield a smaller trunked 'mule'... I think mule palms have thinner trunks in comparison to Butia already... but I have never seen one in person either.

That's my 2 cents.

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Silver mule. Take the most silver butia you can find, and cross it with syagrus sancona. That ought to do the trick.

A dainty mule with a purple spear: Syagrus schizophylla x Butia eriospatha.

A dwarf mule: Butia paraguayensis x Syagrus kellyana.

Finally, a mule with the largest edible fruit: Butia yatay x syagrus cocoides.

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I think a B. capitata x S. botryophora would be nice for the growth rate and thinner, dainty trunk. I traded for someS. botryophora seeds so as long as I can keep them alive long enough to get some viable pollen then we will see what it actually looks like.

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A few of these hybrids have been created by Ed, Erik, Mark Heath and others, would be curious to hear about how they look, cold tolerance, etc. I've seen one or two of Eds non-romanzoffiana mules and they look slightly different, but, if I remember correctly, Ed related they had less cold tolerance than those mules with a S. romanzoffiana parent.

Don't remember a thread dedicated to solely to non-romanzoffiana mules.

I for one would like to see a cold hardy clumping mule. B. yatay x S. ruschiana.

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Butia eriospatha x Syagrus rupicola. (I have a seedling that i have to repot)

(Butia eriospatha x B. microspadix) x slender trunk Syagrus romanzoffiana (or maybe my S. cardenasii ? :winkie: or S. loefgrenii that both will flower....)

Sorry, its a B. eriospatha x S. ruschiana ( not a S. rupicola)

Not too much to see yet, only a few blades of grass.

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I would love to see a B. yatay X S. amara.

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A few of these hybrids have been created by Ed, Erik, Mark Heath and others, would be curious to hear about how they look, cold tolerance, etc. I've seen one or two of Eds non-romanzoffiana mules and they look slightly different, but, if I remember correctly, Ed related they had less cold tolerance than those mules with a S. romanzoffiana parent.

Don't remember a thread dedicated to solely to non-romanzoffiana mules.

I for one would like to see a cold hardy clumping mule. B. yatay x S. ruschiana.

Interesting....always thought that all of the cold tolorances came from the Butia side. Would imagine 9a and warmer parts of 8b climates would still be ok with non-queen mules.

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Dave,

8b may work but there is good chance that some of these hybrids of less cold hardy syagruses will show substantial damage every year.

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Bump I will try to get off my duff and take a few pictures tomorrow --- sinuses have me down so I dont functin too well unfortunately

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I agree with Jason, a clustering mule is my dream palm. There is a void in the hardy palm garden as there are no good clustering pinnate palms that aren't dwarfs (unless Im missing any).

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Thought I would bump this old thread since Alberto has been playing Frankenstein down south....

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I'll play :)

B. X Syagrus amara would be a killer palm IMO

Can we include Lytocaryum ?

 

Edit: Just noticed Zeeth is already on it :P

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6 hours ago, RJ said:

I'll play :)

B. X Syagrus amara would be a killer palm IMO

Can we include Lytocaryum ?

 

Edit: Just noticed Zeeth is already on it :P

This would be a awesome addition to my collection but kind of impossible probably cuz is the only non south American syagrus :huh:

I think is originate from Antilles 

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Does "kind of impossible" mean possible?

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One of my favorite unusual ones is butia x lytocaryum weddellianum.  It’s grown as a very thin trunked, graceful, smaller butiagrus look alike.  This year it doubled in size. 

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10 hours ago, Manalto said:

Does "kind of impossible" mean possible?

Personally don't have any experience with crossing maybe guys with more knowledge will clarified that

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6 hours ago, Matt N- Dallas said:

One of my favorite unusual ones is butia x lytocaryum weddellianum.  It’s grown as a very thin trunked, graceful, smaller butiagrus look alike.  This year it doubled in size. 

We would like to see pictures of it:wub:

I have one from Patric but not sure which Lytocaryum he use for his bach 

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4 hours ago, Kenarr09 said:

We would like to see pictures of it:wub:

I have one from Patric but not sure which Lytocaryum he use for his bach 

I've got a B x L. Hoehnei but it's just a little strap leaf currently. 

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So probably i have same :rolleyes:

But this year he offer with wedd I see 

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18 hours ago, Kenarr09 said:

So probably i have same :rolleyes:

But this year he offer with wedd I see 

I'm not sure what to expect from the one I have. I specifically asked for this cross, so I don't know if he swaps back and forth. It's certainly not as fast as a BXS mule, I would venture that the one I have will be going on it's 3rd year here shortly. 

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For sure will be unique looking! 

Probably would be similar to parajubaea but mini version 

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Butia x Lytocaryum Wed. from today.  It doubled in size this year.  You can see the lowest leaf in the 3rd pic- it was the emerging leaf last winter. 

B x Lyto 1.jpg

B x Lyto 2.jpg

B x Lyto 3.jpg

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2 hours ago, Matt N- Dallas said:

Butia x Lytocaryum Wed. from today.  It doubled in size this year.  You can see the lowest leaf in the 3rd pic- it was the emerging leaf last winter. 

B x Lyto 1.jpg

B x Lyto 2.jpg

B x Lyto 3.jpg

That thing looks awesome!  Need to get me one!

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Wow! ... stunning hybrid!

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Matt...how old and how cold hardy...this is Patrics cross right ?

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Thank you Chris and David.  This is Patric's cross- I got it in April of 2015.  I was thinking it was older.  I'm not sure home cold hardy it is- I'm afraid to find out.  It's more tender than regular Butia X Syagrus.  The coldest temp it's endured is a quick dip to 18*- 19*.  B x Lyto 041515  Here's the pic of it from 04/15

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B x Lyto 041515.jpg

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11 hours ago, Matt N- Dallas said:

Butia x Lytocaryum Wed. from today.  It doubled in size this year.  You can see the lowest leaf in the 3rd pic- it was the emerging leaf last winter. 

B x Lyto 1.jpg

B x Lyto 2.jpg

B x Lyto 3.jpg

is Butia x Lytocaryum ?

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4 hours ago, Matt N- Dallas said:

B x Lyto 041515.jpg

That looks nothing like my Lyto mule. 

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12 hours ago, Matt N- Dallas said:

Butia x Lytocaryum Wed. from today.  It doubled in size this year.  You can see the lowest leaf in the 3rd pic- it was the emerging leaf last winter. 

B x Lyto 1.jpg

 

 

That is a stunning palm. It will be curious to see it when it starts to trunk. 

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Gorgeous looking palm! 

My lyto cross is very narrow leaflets but might be bcz is with hoehnei not wedd 

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