Mango seed wanted

[dalmatiansoap]

Looking for Mango seeds, polyembryonic varieties prefered but not necessary.

More tropical fruit suggestions are more than welcome.

[paulgila]

we can grow lychees here in southern california & the seeds germinate readily from fruit we buy at the asian market.

if you have a mediterranean climate maybe they will do well for you,too.

[The Silent Seed]

I do not know if you can get the fruits locally at the store, but store-bought mangoes grow readily from seed. Just make sure you get the plump seeds. The smaller / thinner ones do not grow.

[dalmatiansoap]

Thanks guys,

major problem here is what we dont have asian markets and most of tropical fruits in supermarket stores are low quality, picked to early, unripe and thatsway tasteless. As such ppl dont have much interest buying them and low interest=low offer and we are stucked in magic circle for years.

[dalmatiansoap]

Bumpy on this one.

Have CIDP porphyrocarpa for trade.

Thanks

[dalmatiansoap]

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[dalmatiansoap]

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[kwtimo]

I completely understand wanting to grow mango trees.  I live in Key West, and have a Nam Doc Mai in my front yard which produces very well every year.  The neighbors drive by for months, staring at the fruit developing, wondering if they will get a few this year (and some always do).  It is my understanding, however, that a mango grown from seed will eventually produce a fruit that is different from a parent tree cultivar.  So if I plant seed from my cherished Nam Doc Mai, 5 to 7 years from now when the tree can produce fruit, there is a 99% chance that the fruit produced will NOT be Nam Doc Mai, but something completely different.  In most cases, the fruit is generally of inferior quality, and undesirable.  Small, stringy mangoes are quite unpalatable in my opinion. This can be said of all grafted cultivars.  The only way to pass on the true genetics of the plant is to cut the bud wood from the desired cultivar host, and graft to acceptable root stock.  This may be the reason you are not hearing back from folks.  In Florida, high mango season is anywhere from May through August, depending on the winters and the cultivar.  Not too much going on the rest of the year.

[Jeff Searle]

Very true Tim. And every so often I'm asked the same question about the customer just growing any random mango from seed and expecting the same fruit ( as the parent tree ) when the tree eventually fruits. But my question is, do all Lychees need to be grafted to produce good quality fruit like the parent variety? Or are they not grafted and can be propagated from cuttings?

[Zeeth]

Tim, that's true of monoembryonic cultivars, but not polyembryonic ones. For poly mango seedlings, there will be multiple seedlings from one seed, and one will be different from the parent tree, but the rest will be clones of the parent. NDM happens to be a poly mango, so you could grow it true from seed if you wanted. The hard part is how to tell which seedling is true to type. Visual cues (size and wavyness of the leaves, branching habit, etc) give good results, but those take time to learn. That's the reason that most poly mangoes in florida are still grafted. In Australia, Kensington pride is their main mango variety, which is poly, and their nurseries usually grow trees from seed. Even with experienced growers this sometimes leads to off-type trees, which is why KP has so many different sub-varieties within Australia. 

 

Jeff, Lychees are very hard to graft because their cambium is really irregular, so it's hard to get a good match. The only grafting method that has any reliability is approach grafting, which has been used to attach them to a longan rootstock. Commercially though, they're almost always air-layered. 

[dalmatiansoap]

Tim, that's true of monoembryonic cultivars, but not polyembryonic ones. For poly mango seedlings, there will be multiple seedlings from one seed, and one will be different from the parent tree, but the rest will be clones of the parent. NDM happens to be a poly mango, so you could grow it true from seed if you wanted. The hard part is how to tell which seedling is true to type.

 

 

Cross pollinated one is weakest of all and much less developed than all the others which are all true to typ. Most if not all Asian varieties are polyembrionic including Nam Dok Mai.

Anyway, the thread title still stands

[Zeeth]

Tim, that's true of monoembryonic cultivars, but not polyembryonic ones. For poly mango seedlings, there will be multiple seedlings from one seed, and one will be different from the parent tree, but the rest will be clones of the parent. NDM happens to be a poly mango, so you could grow it true from seed if you wanted. The hard part is how to tell which seedling is true to type.

 

 

Cross pollinated one is weakest of all and much less developed than all the others which are all true to typ. Most if not all Asian varieties are polyembrionic including Nam Dok Mai.

Anyway, the thread title still stands

That's not quite the case. The cross pollinated can be the strongest seedling right after sprouting because it has access to both cotyledons, whereas the true seedlings only have access to a small piece of seed. However, it might be the case that the "small" piece that one of the true seedlings has access to is larger than the cotyledons that the cross pollinated seedling has access to. It really depends. 

[kwtimo]

Tim, that's true of monoembryonic cultivars, but not polyembryonic ones. For poly mango seedlings, there will be multiple seedlings from one seed, and one will be different from the parent tree, but the rest will be clones of the parent. NDM happens to be a poly mango, so you could grow it true from seed if you wanted. The hard part is how to tell which seedling is true to type.

 

 

Cross pollinated one is weakest of all and much less developed than all the others which are all true to typ. Most if not all Asian varieties are polyembrionic including Nam Dok Mai.

Anyway, the thread title still stands

 

That's not quite the case. The cross pollinated can be the strongest seedling right after sprouting because it has access to both cotyledons, whereas the true seedlings only have access to a small piece of seed. However, it might be the case that the "small" piece that one of the true seedlings has access to is larger than the cotyledons that the cross pollinated seedling has access to. It really depends. 

Thank you for the information.  Good stuff!

[dalmatiansoap]

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