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Awesome specimen of a hybrid Phoenix roebelenii (crossed with ???)

Eric in Orlando

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Eric in Orlando Grand Master

Eric in Orlando

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This Phoenix hybrid palm is growing at an office building just west of downtown Orlando. It is a hybrid of Phoenix robelenii (Pygmy Date Palm) with something else. It looks just like a P. roebelenii but just much larger. You can see "normal" P. roebelenii in some of the photos. It never holds seed, I have looked for years and never found any. It is nice they have not trimmed the palm and left a full crown of leaves.

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Eric

Orlando, FL

zone 9b/10a

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Alicehunter2000 Grand Master

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Yes, really like that. P. roebelini should be hybridized more with colder hardy Phoenix to allow us in 9a a chance at growing a 'softer' Phoenix reliably.

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David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

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Starting from the assumption that a Phoenix hybrid takes more in appearance from the male parent, and assuming further that this specimen does really resemble a cliff-date palm (P. rupicola) because leflets are on a single plane attached to the rhachis, I can conclude that roebelenii has to be the pollen donor for this hybrid.

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Looks like a nice rupicola X roebellinii hybrid. Most of the roeb hybrids I've seen look a lot more like a roeb than anything else; the other species' characteristics tend to be more subtle hints. A nice reclinata roebelllinii cross looked like a giant roebellinii with flat reclinata-like leaves, and one trunk.

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:sick::yay::sick::yay::sick:

Which pic looks better....

Post4 or Post5?

What do ya think?

PalmDude youre funny.....

timing is everything :evil:

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That's not a hybrid.

The reason you don't see many robellini's like that is due to the trunk....look how it curves in that picture. The palm keeps growing, and then falls over in a strong wind.

My father has 2 like that in his patio garden (Orlando); I helped him plant them about 40+ years ago.

The house protects them from the winds, and that's why they survived.

The tree in the picture above will survive until something knocks it over. The taller it gets, the easier that is to do.

Garrett

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That's not a hybrid.

The reason you don't see many robellini's like that is due to the trunk....look how it curves in that picture. The palm keeps growing, and then falls over in a strong wind.

My father has 2 like that in his patio garden (Orlando); I helped him plant them about 40+ years ago.

The house protects them from the winds, and that's why they survived.

The tree in the picture above will survive until something knocks it over. The taller it gets, the easier that is to do.

Garrett

I disagree. The leaves are quite distinct from a normal robelenii. There is a normal one at my house that has about 8 feet of clear trunk, and the leaves are quite different from the pictured one. Also, these are pretty wind tolerant palms, with a very tough root system, so I can't imagine that they would be so easy to uproot.

Keith 

Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a)

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Eric in Orlando Grand Master

Eric in Orlando

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It is definitely a hybrid. And it probably has P. rupicola mixed in it.

Eric

Orlando, FL

zone 9b/10a

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gyuseppe Veteran

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Starting from the assumption that a Phoenix hybrid takes more in appearance from the male parent, and assuming further that this specimen does really resemble a cliff-date palm (P. rupicola) because leflets are on a single plane attached to the rhachis, I can conclude that roebelenii has to be the pollen donor for this hybrid.

Konstantinos I agree with you
(PS-in total i have 16 phoenix roebelenii x theophrasti)

GIUSEPPE

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I'm not sure I understand the logic behind all of this.

The robellinis at my fathers home have fronds just like that.

You do know that plants show variation in morphology without cross species hybridization?

The reason the mature (tall) ones fall over in high wind is that the trunk is only about 4 inches in diameter. The canopy is the heaviest part of the palm, and catches the wind easily.

It's all fun and games to watch them sway in a thunderstorm....until someone gets their eye poked out.

We have about 3 of these left over from when he and I put them in the ground. I'll try to get a picture next time I'm there.

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MattyB Grand Master

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Looks like P. reclinata to me. Are you sure they don't just prune the suckers?

Matt Bradford

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Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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I have a pretty nice hybrid Phoenix in my front yard... I should post it for review..

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Eric in Orlando Grand Master

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Looks like P. reclinata to me. Are you sure they don't just prune the suckers?

I rogue prune it once a month on the full moon, at midnight!

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Eric

Orlando, FL

zone 9b/10a

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:laugh2:

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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ZPalms Grand Master

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Has anyone figured out what hybrid this is or is it just phoenix roebelenii?

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