Adonidia x Veitchia show some interesting traits

[JD in the OC]

We have successfully pollinated our Adonidia merrillii with Veitchia arecina pollen. The question becomes, is this technically an intergeneric cross (Butia x Syagrus) or an interspecific cross (Syagrus schizophylla x romanzoffiana) since Adonidia used to be Veichia?

In any case. Here are the seeds. Notice the racing stripes (much like in some Wodyetia x Veitchia seeds). They are definitely a bit larger than standard Adonidia merrilli seed.

[JD in the OC]

The seeds seem to have a slightly ruminate endosperm

A small 3 gallon plant that we acquired from a friend in Ft. Lauderdale. It was discovered growing underneath an Adonidia in his nursery

[JD in the OC]

A slightly larger specimen that was produced by nature- we discovered it a couple years ago growing underneath a local Adonidia

And one from the same batch as above plant, except this one (below) was planted in the ground when about 16inches tall. That was about 2 to 2.5 yrs ago.

Leaflets share some traits of both parents

[JD in the OC]

Lots of dark ramenta on the leaf sheaths from the Veitchia father

More compact leaf crown from its Adonidia mother (this one is trunking so the fronds won't get any larger than this)

I think this hybrid may be a winner for SoCal. I know Adonidia doesn't grow out there and is very slow in greenhouses (at least it was for me). I imagine this Adoveitchia hybrid planted in doubles or triples would be a winner for SoCal. The "California Christmas Palm" perhaps??

[Matt in OC]

WANT.

[Pando]

That's assuming the hybrid is hardy enough to survive in SoCal, and that's a big assumption that the hardiness trait repeats like it does with Foxy Lady.

Gorgeous palm though. Yes, WANT.

[Kumar]

Beautiful plant, pictures and superb commentary. I did not realise that Adonida also had jagged ends to the leaflets. Thanks

[Silas_Sancona]

Nice cross, Definitely see traits of both parents in it. Looking forward to Further info on how well it handles the cold.

-Nathan-

[JD in the OC]

Pando,

I am basing my theory on the fact that Veitchia arecina does quite well in Orange County, San Diego County, and coastal LA county. The hybrid vigor of the cross should make it well adapted for most of those areas as well- combined population being 9.2 million people...

JD

[Pando]

Thanks JD,

My point was that we don't know until we try. The hardiness trait is an assumption - it could very well be inherited from Adonidia merillii, which does not grow here.

[JD in the OC]

Pando,

So, you are saying that I just like to make assumptions to push some kind of agenda? I'm not sure what your point is. Obviously experience with growing the hybrid in the region is the best form of proof. The hardiness I am claiming, however, is not based on an assumption. All hybrids between two species, whether intergeneric or interspecific, indisputably display more cold hardiness- a trait in horticulture called heterogeny. Thus, before any growth experience is actually done in SoCal, it can be ascertained that the hybrid WILL be more cold hardy than the pure, unhybridized form of Adonidia merrillii. Lastly, I have experience growing both Adonidia and Veitchia in both SoCal and South Florida, coupled with experience growing xAdoveitchia here in South Florida for at least 3 years.

JD

[Pando]

JD, thanks for the explanation. It's a gorgeous palm, best of luck with this hybrid!

[Stevetoad]

any idea on when these will be offered for sale?

[KennyRE317]

Pando,

I am basing my theory on the fact that Veitchia arecina does quite well in Orange County, San Diego County, and coastal LA county. The hybrid vigor of the cross should make it well adapted for most of those areas as well- combined population being 9.2 million people...

JD

my 5gal Veitchia arecina was planted in a spot that gets full direct sun year round and it got real burnt pretty bad through our hot fall/winter but the spike that just opened up is looking much better. i think in a more protected spot this one would have done significantly better but i'm hoping a Wodyetia, which is the same size and growing right next to it, will give it some canopy eventually

[Stevetoad]

Pando,

I am basing my theory on the fact that Veitchia arecina does quite well in Orange County, San Diego County, and coastal LA county. The hybrid vigor of the cross should make it well adapted for most of those areas as well- combined population being 9.2 million people...

JD

my 5gal Veitchia arecina was planted in a spot that gets full direct sun year round and it got real burnt pretty bad through our hot fall/winter but the spike that just opened up is looking much better. i think in a more protected spot this one would have done significantly better but i'm hoping a Wodyetia, which is the same size and growing right next to it, will give it some canopy eventually

im sure it will do better in a protected spot. i have one thats seen 2 winters under my jacaranda tree with no damage and my place hit 26f 2 winters ago.

[KennyRE317]

Pando,

I am basing my theory on the fact that Veitchia arecina does quite well in Orange County, San Diego County, and coastal LA county. The hybrid vigor of the cross should make it well adapted for most of those areas as well- combined population being 9.2 million people...

JD

my 5gal Veitchia arecina was planted in a spot that gets full direct sun year round and it got real burnt pretty bad through our hot fall/winter but the spike that just opened up is looking much better. i think in a more protected spot this one would have done significantly better but i'm hoping a Wodyetia, which is the same size and growing right next to it, will give it some canopy eventually

im sure it will do better in a protected spot. i have one thats seen 2 winters under my jacaranda tree with no damage and my place hit 26f 2 winters ago.

wow, it doesn't get that cold out here, i'm going to leave it as it is and see if that wodyetia will outgrow it but if i don't get any protection from the wodyetia in a couple years and it's still getting real burnt i'll most likely have to pull it out and try it elsewhere

[Phil]

Justen,

Nice Thread and well done. Out here in So Cal, I do not think of Veitchia merrillii (Adonidia) as being a good palm for us. There are a few around that have made it through winter, but most die due to cold. V. arecina seems to be more cold hardy. Larry Black in the O.C. has a big one that's fruited multiple times.

But, hybrid vigor is an unpredictable thing and who knows what this hybrid will do. If it indeed shows more cold hardiness, it'll be a winner.

Phil

[Eric in Orlando]

Thats a very cool looking hybrid.

I'm getting some germiantion of seeds off a possible Adonidia/Carpentaria hybrid growing in Jupiter, FL.

[JD in the OC]

Stevetoad, we should have seedlings ready for sale later this year or early next year.

That sounds interesting Eric. Are you saying that it's a hybrid that is producing seeds (F2)?

JD

[Hammer]

Stevetoad, we should have seedlings ready for sale later this year or early next year.

That sounds interesting Eric. Are you saying that it's a hybrid that is producing seeds (F2)?

JD

Please count me in too when putting together a shipment to SoCal.

[grant b.]

I think this hybrid may be a winner for SoCal. I know Adonidia doesn't grow out there and is very slow in greenhouses (at least it was for me). I imagine this Adoveitchia hybrid planted in doubles or triples would be a winner for SoCal. The "California Christmas Palm" perhaps??

nice advertisement...

[doubravsky]

JD- I volunteer to be the first inland empire California test grower

[JD in the OC]

You got it Dave

[JD in the OC]

A picture of the peculiar red leaf spike on these:

[Kennybenjamin]

I think that I may have just stumbled across a couple of these palms?? They were supposed to be standard foxy lady palms but are clearly different.

Justen do you think these might be the same as yours? The last pic shows a stunted leaf which certainly indicate Adonidia to me.... we often see stunted leaves on our Adonidia after winter here and guess what its just after winter here now. I don't believe I have ever seen a foxy x veitchia show a stunted leaf before?

[JD in the OC]

Kenny

I see a little resemblance to our hybrid, but im pretty sure you have a juvenile Veitchia arecina there. Yours lacks the ramenta at the top of the crownshaft and the heavy tomentum on the crownshaft. Also, the Adondia x Veitchia has upright fronds with slightly recurved tips.

Please post some updated pics when a bit larger and we can tell for sure

JD

[Matt in OC]

Is anyone else growing this? Mine hasn't been bothered by any cold damage, but has certainly been super slow.

[Hammer]

16 hours ago, Matt in OC said:

Is anyone else growing this? Mine hasn't been bothered by any cold damage, but has certainly been super slow.

Where did you get one?  I NEED some! 

[Matt in OC]

2 hours ago, Hammer said:

Where did you get one?  I NEED some! 

This was over a year or so ago when Justen from Seabreeze was doing mail order. Unfortunately it looks like he isn't doing mail order anymore...

[Hammer]

Buuuuum errrrrrr

[DCA_Palm_Fan]

More photos of this hybrid in this thread would be great, esp since the thread is old and most pics no longer show up.   

[Matt in OC]

Purchased in November 2015. Super hardy, no cold damage, but hasn't really done much yet. It's been in this spot in the ground for exactly one year.

edit: Here it was as a baby, so it's definitely made some progress. Hopefully this year it will take off. 

[Pando]

Nice one Matt, I hope it starts cranking. And that must have been a lot of Panda Express cooking sauce.

[Matt in OC]

23 minutes ago, Pando said:

Nice one Matt, I hope it starts cranking. And that must have been a lot of Panda Express cooking sauce.

[Palm Tree Jim]

Looking good Matt.

[akamu]

It's time to bump the thread how is your cross doing Matt . I just acquired a small palm that might be the same. A Local grower started some adonidia seeds and some of the seeds were different. The true form all died but but the other form kept growing well and he thinks this is the same cross (adoveitchia) . Here's a couple pictures of the palm  what do you guys think ? I am growing V. Arecina and this one looks different than mine when it was this age . I also have an adonidia that's growing in my shade house that is  slow as molasses.that I have no plans on trying in ground