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#1 LJG

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 03:02 PM

Hi,

I figured I would ask this here. I have a Syagrus glaucescens that is dividing like a Dypsis would. I Googled this but I show them all single. Is this something that happens in cultivation or do I have one that might have just decided to grow odd?

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:10 PM

i cant answer your question, but very nice palm!
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Posted 11 April 2012 - 05:44 PM

I would have to answer in Spanish.


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Posted 12 April 2012 - 05:39 PM

I would have to answer in Spanish.


Sorry, I don't know how.

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Hi Bill
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 07:19 PM

Sorry Jose.. My attempt at humor does translate very well in either English OR Spanish! :D
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 05:46 AM

Hi,

I figured I would ask this here. I have a Syagrus glaucescens that is dividing like a Dypsis would. I Googled this but I show them all single. Is this something that happens in cultivation or do I have one that might have just decided to grow odd?


Nice palm, Len! How long have you had it; how old do you think it is? I am on the hunt for one, but they are not easy to find... I feel guilty writing this in ENGLISH
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 06:58 AM


Hi,

I figured I would ask this here. I have a Syagrus glaucescens that is dividing like a Dypsis would. I Googled this but I show them all single. Is this something that happens in cultivation or do I have one that might have just decided to grow odd?


Nice palm, Len! How long have you had it; how old do you think it is? I am on the hunt for one, but they are not easy to find... I feel guilty writing this in ENGLISH


Thanks. I bought this from Jeff Searle in 2007 as a plant just coming out of strap leaves. It was in a 3 gallon so it had a little size. It actually really started growing the last two years in the ground. I bought it because I had never seen this palm for sale before and still have not since.
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 07:10 AM



Hi,

I figured I would ask this here. I have a Syagrus glaucescens that is dividing like a Dypsis would. I Googled this but I show them all single. Is this something that happens in cultivation or do I have one that might have just decided to grow odd?


Nice palm, Len! How long have you had it; how old do you think it is? I am on the hunt for one, but they are not easy to find... I feel guilty writing this in ENGLISH


Thanks. I bought this from Jeff Searle in 2007 as a plant just coming out of strap leaves. It was in a 3 gallon so it had a little size. It actually really started growing the last two years in the ground. I bought it because I had never seen this palm for sale before and still have not since.



From Jeff--go figure! If he had a list of availability, I would be there every weekend! Wonder if he has any left-that's a lot faster than I would have figured this palm to be. Thanks for the reply, Len.
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 07:33 AM




Hi,

I figured I would ask this here. I have a Syagrus glaucescens that is dividing like a Dypsis would. I Googled this but I show them all single. Is this something that happens in cultivation or do I have one that might have just decided to grow odd?


Nice palm, Len! How long have you had it; how old do you think it is? I am on the hunt for one, but they are not easy to find... I feel guilty writing this in ENGLISH


Thanks. I bought this from Jeff Searle in 2007 as a plant just coming out of strap leaves. It was in a 3 gallon so it had a little size. It actually really started growing the last two years in the ground. I bought it because I had never seen this palm for sale before and still have not since.



From Jeff--go figure! If he had a list of availability, I would be there every weekend! Wonder if he has any left-that's a lot faster than I would have figured this palm to be. Thanks for the reply, Len.


This is another reason I asked here. It sure looks like Glaucescens but with it splitting I am hoping it is not really one of those ugly clumped Syagrus and will start to change appearance.
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 08:14 AM

This is another reason I asked here. It sure looks like Glaucescens but with it splitting I am hoping it is not really one of those ugly clumped Syagrus and will start to change appearance.
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"Ugly Syagrus" lol! Yeah, I would say(besides Hyophorbe)Syagrus is one of the ugliest genus of palm--very few are actually visually stunning. Glaucescens is by no means attractive, but it is very rarely cultivated and it's in the "unique" category. Even if it's a hybrid, your palm looks great, Len. Are the leaves as rigid as they look?
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 08:45 AM

Sorry Jose.. My attempt at humor does translate very well in either English OR Spanish! :D



don't worry Bill, mine was also a joke :D
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 09:12 AM

"Ugly Syagrus" lol! Yeah, I would say(besides Hyophorbe)Syagrus is one of the ugliest genus of palm--very few are actually visually stunning. Glaucescens is by no means attractive, but it is very rarely cultivated and it's in the "unique" category. Even if it's a hybrid, your palm looks great, Len. Are the leaves as rigid as they look?


Yes, very stiff. And blue underneath. This and Amara are the only Syagrus growing in my yard :)
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 09:18 AM





"Ugly Syagrus" lol! Yeah, I would say(besides Hyophorbe)Syagrus is one of the ugliest genus of palm--very few are actually visually stunning. Glaucescens is by no means attractive, but it is very rarely cultivated and it's in the "unique" category. Even if it's a hybrid, your palm looks great, Len. Are the leaves as rigid as they look?


Yes, very stiff. And blue underneath. This and Amara are the only Syagrus growing in my yard :)


I have botryophora, amara, schizophylla, cearensis, stenopetala, "super parrot" and coronata. Some of those are just for my nursery, and will never be planted. Vermicularis is a really nice palm, that I would plant, after seeing large adults.
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 09:59 AM

I lied, I have botryophora too.
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 02:29 AM

That is a pure S.Glaucescence. It could just be pushing two spears at the same time and will not divide. Either way it will look good.
You have done a fine job w/ yours, it looks very healthy.
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 11:23 AM

That is a pure S.Glaucescence. It could just be pushing two spears at the same time and will not divide. Either way it will look good.
You have done a fine job w/ yours, it looks very healthy.


Thanks Mark. The spears are basically the same size, so this is why I think it is splitting. I guess I will know by the end of summer as this plant usually pushes out 3 fronds a year.
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 11:27 AM

Mark

Good to hear from you !-- maybe it got injured ? I think I have seen the S. duartei divided in memory

but I will go through photos and see. As Mark said its a pretty palm.
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 12:24 PM

Speaking of Syagrus glaucescens. I had a sleepless night last night, so I headed to the greenhouse to discover one of my purported Butia eriospatha X Syagrus glaucescens seeds sending down a root. I can't even imagine what this thing will look like. I'll be curious to see if it turns out to be the real thing.
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 01:04 PM

HI Len; the Lorenzi book 'Brazilian Flora' states that it is always single, with an upright stem. Perhaps the double spears are a tribute to your excellent care! :winkie:
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 02:01 PM

Speaking of Syagrus glaucescens. I had a sleepless night last night, so I headed to the greenhouse to discover one of my purported Butia eriospatha X Syagrus glaucescens seeds sending down a root. I can't even imagine what this thing will look like. I'll be curious to see if it turns out to be the real thing.


Congratulations Buffy!
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 03:24 PM

HI Len; the Lorenzi book 'Brazilian Flora' states that it is always single, with an upright stem. Perhaps the double spears are a tribute to your excellent care! :winkie:


Yeah, thats the ticket! "Excellent care". :drool: :lol:

Well, then if Lorenzi states single then it must have been most likely damaged from something. Maybe fungus or insect to cause it to split.
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 03:36 PM

Sure it's not one of those Syagrus r x trachycarpus hybrids?
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 08:12 PM

Doesn't BS Man have one? Yours looks different to me. Maybe it's the lack of weeds? Seriously though, bills looks stiffer and bluer from what I remember
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Posted 26 September 2013 - 10:37 AM

Update. So it did split ........... and flowered. Weird.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 12:08 PM

 

 


 



Hi,

I figured I would ask this here. I have a Syagrus glaucescens that is dividing like a Dypsis would. I Googled this but I show them all single. Is this something that happens in cultivation or do I have one that might have just decided to grow odd?


Nice palm, Len! How long have you had it; how old do you think it is? I am on the hunt for one, but they are not easy to find... I feel guilty writing this in ENGLISH

 


Thanks. I bought this from Jeff Searle in 2007 as a plant just coming out of strap leaves. It was in a 3 gallon so it had a little size. It actually really started growing the last two years in the ground. I bought it because I had never seen this palm for sale before and still have not since.

 



From Jeff--go figure! If he had a list of availability, I would be there every weekend! Wonder if he has any left-that's a lot faster than I would have figured this palm to be. Thanks for the reply, Len.

 


This is another reason I asked here. It sure looks like Glaucescens but with it splitting I am hoping it is not really one of those ugly clumped Syagrus and will start to change appearance.

 

there was a clumping syagrus at nong nooch,cant remember the name of it but it was pretty cool.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 12:13 PM

What are you going to do with all of that pollen?

 

Plants look great by the way.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 01:09 PM

What are you going to do with all of that pollen?
 
Plants look great by the way.


Too lazy to do anything other then leave it.
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Posted 26 September 2013 - 01:18 PM

A clumping Jube....


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 05:16 PM

A splitting Syagrus glaucescens, That is really weird  !! congratulations !


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 06:21 PM

Lovely palm...it looks like a hybrid with S. cearensis, they always form twin trunks


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 06:30 PM

Lovely palm...it looks like a hybrid with S. cearensis, they always form twin trunks


Never thought of that. It came from Glaucescens seed. But it seems to have longer leaves and is certainly faster then other Glaucescens I have seen growing. Do they form natural hybrids in the wild?
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Posted 26 September 2013 - 06:48 PM

I don't think so Len, their natural habitats are at least 800 Km apart...it would've been an intentional hybrid in this case...or maybe a cross with another clumping Syagrus species involved, from the southeast region in Brazil... :hmm:  


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 07:30 PM

This is another reason I asked here. It sure looks like Glaucescens but with it splitting I am hoping it is not really one of those ugly clumped Syagrus and will start to change appearance.
[/quote]


"Ugly Syagrus" lol! Yeah, I would say(besides Hyophorbe)Syagrus is one of the ugliest genus of palm--very few are actually visually stunning. Glaucescens is by no means attractive, but it is very rarely cultivated and it's in the "unique" category. Even if it's a hybrid, your palm looks great, Len. Are the leaves as rigid as they look?

 

They may not be 'visually stunning' but I don't think all of them are ugly.  The amara is very pretty.  We also have a sancona which makes a really nice contast between nearby palms that have entirely different leaf types.  I find both the botryophora and schizophylla ugly but we have both because they are so different from our other palms.  (Incidentally, Pauleen Sullivan had a schizophylla in her Big Island garden so perhaps she liked them too.  If I ever find a splitting glaucescens like Len's I will grab it!

 

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 06:13 AM

Update. So it did split ........... and flowered. Weird.

 

Wow, that puppy is weird! I think it's awesome, whatever it is--hope it makes viable seed and Len wants to trade me something for some...


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Posted 27 September 2013 - 06:27 AM

[quote name="LilikoiLee" post="601272" timestamp="1380252652"]
[quote name="Mandrew968" post="522700" timestamp="1334333651"]
This is another reason I asked here. It sure looks like Glaucescens but with it splitting I am hoping it is not really one of those ugly clumped Syagrus and will start to change appearance.
[/quote]


"Ugly Syagrus" lol! Yeah, I would say(besides Hyophorbe)Syagrus is one of the ugliest genus of palm--very few are actually visually stunning. Glaucescens is by no means attractive, but it is very rarely cultivated and it's in the "unique" category. Even if it's a hybrid, your palm looks great, Len. Are the leaves as rigid as they look?[/quote]
 
They may not be 'visually stunning' but I don't think all of them are ugly.  The amara is very pretty.  We also have a sancona which makes a really nice contast between nearby palms that have entirely different leaf types.  I find both the botryophora and schizophylla ugly but we have both because they are so different from our other palms.  (Incidentally, Pauleen Sullivan had a schizophylla in her Big Island garden so perhaps she liked them too.  If I ever find a splitting glaucescens like Len's I will grab it!
 
Lee[/quote]

I have two syagrus that are producing blueish leaflets as juveniles, syagrus kellyana and syagrus picrophylla x coronata. I can't get queen to fit nicely with my other palms but the rest of the syagrus palms look cool. Never seen one that splits loke Len's.
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Posted 29 September 2013 - 01:47 AM

 

 

 

 


 


Hi,

I figured I would ask this here. I have a Syagrus glaucescens that is dividing like a Dypsis would. I Googled this but I show them all single. Is this something that happens in cultivation or do I have one that might have just decided to grow odd?


Nice palm, Len! How long have you had it; how old do you think it is? I am on the hunt for one, but they are not easy to find... I feel guilty writing this in ENGLISH

 


Thanks. I bought this from Jeff Searle in 2007 as a plant just coming out of strap leaves. It was in a 3 gallon so it had a little size. It actually really started growing the last two years in the ground. I bought it because I had never seen this palm for sale before and still have not since.

 



From Jeff--go figure! If he had a list of availability, I would be there every weekend! Wonder if he has any left-that's a lot faster than I would have figured this palm to be. Thanks for the reply, Len.

 


This is another reason I asked here. It sure looks like Glaucescens but with it splitting I am hoping it is not really one of those ugly clumped Syagrus and will start to change appearance.

 

there was a clumping syagrus at nong nooch,cant remember the name of it but it was pretty cool.

 

 

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 04:41 AM

Len,

 

  That's pretty amazing.  Short of running a DNA test, it might be impossible to actually tell what you have. These original seeds were bought from who knows who, so it would be impossible to trace it back and from where they came from. I just planted my first one from the same batch only a few months ago, so I will really keep a close eye on it. "that Searle guy really does come up with some cool stuff" from time to time. Lol!


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Southwest Ranches,Fl.

#38 LJG

LJG

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 07:29 AM

I saw it while there Jeff. See how nice it looks well grown? :)
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Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)
Shadowridge Area

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