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Dypsis prestoniana - Not

Started by PalmatierMeg , Mar 15 2012 10:52 AM

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#1 PalmatierMeg

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:52 AM

I've started a separate topic that I hope may lead to the ID of this palm seedling. I received the seeds 2 years ago as "Dypsis prestoniana". They were very small: less than 1/2" long by less than 1/4" wide. The seedlings were glacially slow and tricky; the majority gave up & croaked. But a few appear to have survived - somehow. I posted some poor photos of my largest seedling in a 1.5g pot only to learn what I have is probably not D.p. So what is it?

Today I took more photos. Unfortunately, it is very windy today but I hope they help. What is this palm? It's very pretty. I keep it under shadecloth on my lanai but would like to plant it someday if I can find the right spot.

Dypsis prestoniana: NOT
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I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

#2 PalmatierMeg

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:57 AM

I also took a couple of photos of a much smaller seedling that came from the same batch of seeds.

Dypsis prestoniana-not-2 01 3-15-12.JPG Dypsis prestoniana-not-2 02 3-15-12.JPG
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#3 MattyB

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:00 AM

Meg, that smaller plant looks like it could be D. prestoniana. The mystery plant pictured in the first post....uh, I don't know. Does it have a heel?
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:22 AM

Can you dig around for one of the seeds of the larger/darker plants? That doesn't sound like a small seed and is not slow for a dypsis. The small ones look like what I have as prestoniana...

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:23 AM

Matt, thanks for the quick response. No sign of a heel. Stem is straight.
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:44 AM

If it wasn't so dang green I'd say D. cabadae, but in CA at least they are a chocolatey color when small.
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 01:03 PM

Hey Meg,
Looks to me like a Chamaedorea species, most likely something as main stream as C. cataractarum.
Second smaller plant could definitely prestoniana.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 02:22 PM

Hmmmm. I'm beginning to think this is a classic case of mislabeling/mispotting by yours truly. I'll plead partial blindness. If it is Cham cat, it will hit the sale circuit later. I have oodles of these. But that D. prestoniana is so glacial and tiny for a palm that grows into a behemoth. Any other guesses about these guys? BTW, seeds are long gone after 2 years.
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 03:56 PM

Meg, I agree the small could be a presto.... could be another palm Or two also

. Can you provide a stem shot for that one too?

As for the tall green one.. I agree it looks like a Chamadorea.. BUT.. most Chamadoreas grow pretty quick. So makes me wonder if that is the case....?? Did you by chance get any new caledonia seeds or seedlings??
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 04:06 PM

Leaflets thin or thick?
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 06:53 AM

Meg, I agree the small could be a presto.... could be another palm Or two also

. Can you provide a stem shot for that one too?

As for the tall green one.. I agree it looks like a Chamadorea.. BUT.. most Chamadoreas grow pretty quick. So makes me wonder if that is the case....?? Did you by chance get any new caledonia seeds or seedlings??


I'm not so sure it is a Chamaedorea. Just a very well cared for palm with good soil, fertilized properly, no weed competion ... :huh:

Len asks a valid question.

Just my opinion ... :hmm:
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 10:47 AM

Dypsis prestonia 1.JPG Dypsis prestonia 2.JPG


Forgot to post these.

Here is mine Meg. Neighbor added shade structure for his car (2nd photo background) after I planted. :(
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#13 edric

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 11:25 AM

Hi Meg, the first one, no clue, the smaller one as long as there is some heel that has formed, then I have no doubt that it's Dypsis prestoniana, it also has a very small,long seed, Ed
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