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#41 apaandssa

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 04:15 AM

It's good to hear that the ebay price I paid -or my husband since it was a Christmas present-was a pretty good deal at $57 including shipping. Seemed like alot but I do really like this palm. Anyway, I've only had this palm since December 28,2011, but have been favorably impressed with its growth since then. It's been in my greenhouse in Virginia under less than ideal conditions and yet has fully opened a new leaf in that time. The first photo on the upper left was taken in January,2012 and the other 3 are from today. I hope it survives replanting in Puerto Rico in 3 weeks...It sounds like half shade would be best?

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:40 AM

I have a nice 2 ft one in a pot and are about ready to plant it out. Does anyone out there know if it wants full "honolulu" sun or part shade. Looks
like Jeff's is in mostly sun, but then his sun is much less than our side of Oahu. I do have a half sun area with much looser soil, that is derived from
ten years of mulch and compost. Or a mostly sunny, during the hot hours of the day, and pretty heavy black clay area. Any suggestions would be greatly
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 08:39 AM

Cindy and Colin,

Based on my own experience they don't like "full sun" when they are small (1-2 ft tall), and I lost a few in the early stages and probably for that reason. Once they get up to 3 ft (1 m.) or so, they don't seem to have the same problem. Jeff's is definitely in sun, but then again they can easily handle it when they get larger. I don't know what size it was when Jeff planted it, but I am guessing it was not a tiny palm.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 08:44 AM

A 2-ft. plant in full Honolulu sun sounds a little harsh; I'd opt for part shade. Mine burned a little when I put them out in "Leilani Estates full sun" which is under cloud cover at least 60% of the time. They have adapted nicely since then.
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:09 AM

Thank you Bo and Kim for the help. Here is a pic. It was a bit yellow when I bought it from Jerry, but it has greened up
nicely, it has been in about 3/4 shade . It is in a 2 gallon pot and roots are starting to come out the bottom. Can't decide for the health of the palm would
it be better to bump it up to a larger pot, or plant it. I know it is fickle about having its roots disturbed, but I also seem to
have more success with palms in pots, at this size.
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:17 AM

Colin,

Well, it's definitely planting size. Maybe a bit stretched from being in shade? Why not put it out, in its pot, where you intend to plant it? Leave it there for a couple of months and see how that affects the palm. And if, at any time, you feel that it's not doing well because of the sun exposure you can always put it back in a more protected location and maybe move it up to a larger pot at that time. But my own preference, seeing the size of the palm, would be to plant it within the next 4-5 months.

Bo-Göran

EDIT - BTW, I havn't had any problems with root disturbance when moving Lemurophoenix up to larger pots and I have probably potted up close to 100 Lemurs over the last several years.
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 02:04 PM

Colin

Your Lemur looks very healthy and it is defiantly ready to plant. This is the perfect size to plant. Full sun is optimal and is what this palm will ultimately want in fact this palm was originally in full Leilani sun. I have several Lemuriophoenix in Leilani in the ground and the one looking the best and growing faster is in full sun, the ones in shade are not growing as fast. I remember when Jeff planted his palm it was not much larger than your palm and his is in full sun. Bo's approach is also good advice to play it safe but I really don't think you should have too much of a problem. Good luck with it.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 05:11 PM

Thanks Jerry
I planted it out today. It will get half sun for awhile then I will trim the surrounding canopy, and then it can
get full sun. Aloha. I also planted a row of eight red Areca macrocaylx, now that our house renovation is finally finished, can't
wait for them to look like Tim's.
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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:10 AM

That palm is literally breathtaking: I actually gasped when I saw the first photo in the thread.

My compliments to the photographer for skillfully bringing out the spectacular shades of red and pink in the picture.

And, yeah, I gotta get me one of those.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:03 AM

I am still not convinced that I can't grow one here... :huh:


Try it Bill, your in a great location. You never know, you may just pull it off :)
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Posted 17 March 2012 - 06:19 AM

I am still not convinced that I can't grow one here... :huh:


How does yours look now Bill?
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Posted 17 March 2012 - 09:37 AM

Not good at all actually.. But I was trying to ride the fine line of keeping it "winter dry" and we had more cool nights than I could keep ahead of once the mix dried out.. Once in the ground, it would be Much less likely to dry out in winter.

In short, a short healthy spear is all thats left. :(

BUT, based on what I have seen and learned of the potted ones I've had over the years... They take my cool nights fine. And as a matter of fact during the 2007 cold event, several in the greenhouse were fine after it. It was months later after the soil had dried out, that I tried too late to "rehydrate" them.

I am still convinced that if I treated them similar to a warmth loving New Cal Palm, they would make it. (No harsh direct Sun, on the slightly damp/cool side.) Its when I have allowed the ones to get "out" of those parameters that they have carked it.

But all just my occasionally humble opinion.
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Posted 17 March 2012 - 09:41 AM

As a matter of fact, I think the "highland mealybug"/hovomandrina?etc. etc is a harder palm to grow. (and knock on my wooden head here, I've been pulling that off for about 4 years now)

I would have planted it in a different site now with 20/20 hindsight knowledge.. :huh:
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 02:42 AM




Dean (and Jeff),

Absolutely stunning! Certainly gives us something to look forward to with our own Lemurs! And I'm amazed how fast Jeff's has been growing. A little grove of these palms would not be a bad idea... :)

Bo-Göran


Too many of one thing distracts from the individual beauty. This palm deserves to stand alone. :)


Personal preference is just that - personal preference. :)

If I was able to grow this it would be standing alone...in MANY areas of my garden (right by other cool stuff)!




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Posted 18 March 2012 - 07:35 AM

I know! :lol: What can I say - we are biased, and we're just going to let this one slide.... :mrlooney:
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 09:35 AM

Speechless, I would love to see these thriving in their natural habitat. Looks to be a magnificently large palm too, everything going for it, could this be the next Roystonia, tissue culture?

<div><br></div><div>Just dashed outside into the dark, think I have a seedling will take its picture for verification in day light, the new leaf was reddish for ages seems to have a bit of mould growing on the new petiole&nbsp;need to spray first light, bought it unlabelled. impulse. Hope it is this one I remember describing it not sure if they had it or included it, completely forgot about this one.</div>

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 01:29 PM

XXX

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This thread should be deleted. Pure unadulterated Palm Porn. :lol:

Wait until I release the video (for those over 18 of course).
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 02:07 PM


XXX

Shocking that one of the MODS posted the original unsavory photos. And the other MOD let it ride?

This thread should be deleted. Pure unadulterated Palm Porn. :lol:

Wait until I release the video (for those over 18 of course).


Dean how about the t-shirt???
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 02:44 PM


XXX

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This thread should be deleted. Pure unadulterated Palm Porn. :lol:

Wait until I release the video (for those over 18 of course).


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Posted 18 March 2012 - 05:19 PM



XXX

Shocking that one of the MODS posted the original unsavory photos. And the other MOD let it ride?

This thread should be deleted. Pure unadulterated Palm Porn. :lol:

Wait until I release the video (for those over 18 of course).


Dean how about the t-shirt???

I would need a much higher quality photo. Maybe one of these days it will be that beautiful when I am on the Hilo side, and I have my camera.
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Posted 20 March 2012 - 07:04 PM

Dean, I know your busy and Hilo is a long drive, but come on I need several new t-shirts :drool: :drool: :drool:
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Posted 20 March 2012 - 10:32 PM

Truely beautiful, I think I will have to plant one of mine and hope I can keep it alive, Dean how old is Jeff's ??
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Posted 27 August 2013 - 03:41 AM

Bump

 

Definitely :drool:  worth another look if you missed it the first time  !


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Posted 27 August 2013 - 04:12 AM

Thanks for showing this thread again! My little one from post #41 is doing fine. See the 12 inch ruler for some idea of size. It's in pretty much sun in the mountains of Puerto Rico.

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 11:34 AM

Dean (and Jeff),

Absolutely stunning! Certainly gives us something to look forward to with our own Lemurs! And I'm amazed how fast Jeff's has been growing. A little grove of these palms would not be a bad idea... :)

Bo-Göran


Too many of one thing distracts from the individual beauty. This palm deserves to stand alone. :)

 

Oh, I don't know.  I'll bet a dozen or so would make a nifty grove that would transcend everything.  Particularly if they all drop leaves at once . . . . :yay:


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Posted 27 August 2013 - 10:05 PM

Any updates on these in Southern California? I bought a 4" plant from floribunda this summer and have a protected / shady spot picked out for it in my yard. Would love to hear if any are making it out here.
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Posted 29 June 2014 - 09:30 PM

bumpity bump

 

Jason is your Lemurophoenix still ticking after our mild winter? Did you ever plant it out?

 

It's tempting to try, but then again it's likely a fruitless effort here in San Diego North County...


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Posted 29 June 2014 - 09:37 PM

Unfortunately mine didnt survive long. Never got around to trying to plant it as it died in the pot. Didnt even make it to winter to try it out.
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Posted 30 June 2014 - 08:30 AM

I have one growing in a 5 gal pot on my deck under shadecloth.. for at least a year.. slow, and still looking ok.


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Posted 30 June 2014 - 07:22 PM

I was thinking today maybe I should just pick a spot and plant it..


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Posted 30 June 2014 - 07:57 PM

Clearly one of my all time favorites and grown to perfection as the standard for all Floribunda palms.
I have tried and they have died but who mows what one can grow until you have tried at least three times.
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Posted 04 July 2014 - 09:28 PM

If I lived in the right climate I'd line my driveway with lemurophoenix the way you see royals used. Imagine all those pink crown shafts greeting you and your visitors every day. 


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 09:45 PM

I bought two. I left one in its pot and planted the other near the base of a foxtail palm. The potted one was fine until I forgot its daily watering and it promptly became crispy and croaked. The other is sending out its second spear since being planted in the ground earlier in the spring. It's vigorous. These things need constant moisture and probably detest hot, dry Santa Ana windy type weather. Fortunately that's not a weather phenomenon here in the Bay Area but it's chillier here in the winter than coastal SoCal. I hear these palms are pretty cool tolerant and, if so, it has a fighting chance and I'm willing to give this palm protection in the event the temperature is forecast to dip below 30F, something I don't do with any of my other palms.
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Posted 04 July 2014 - 10:33 PM

I have one, and it's going inside this Winter. Not a chance this would survive outdoors in even an average Norcal Winter. But I will try to keep it happy in a container.

 

Jim, these things are extremely rare and don't deserve to just be plopped into the garden like that. Find at least one person anywhere in Socal who's grown one of these successfully before you decide to leave it in the ground. It's not the Santa Anas that kill them, it's regular Socal Winter cold, which isn't even cold by Norcal standards. At the very least, give yours a fighting chance by raising it to some size before you try it outside. Anything smaller than at least a 7 gallon size is gonna croak here the first Winter it spends outside. Pot it up in a 5 gallon size and bury it in the garden. Come thanksgiving, take the pot out and keep it in your greenhouse until at least February. When it gets to some size, then put it outside. 


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