Well, if you grow or know a specimen of L. speciosa near you, the L. speciosa Patrol wants to hear from you!
I've got one, and it's cool, but what about the rest of you?
Livistona! Speciosa!
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, Mar 09 2012 09:12 PM
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 09:12 PM
Ah, viva Guada La Habra!
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Gateway to Whittier! Classic Sunset Garden Zone 23.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 10:50 PM
Oh, come on.
Some of you, in So-Cal, a land of 25 million people
have at least TRIED to grow this palm.
sigh
Some of you, in So-Cal, a land of 25 million people
have at least TRIED to grow this palm.
sigh
Ah, viva Guada La Habra!
Gateway to Whittier! Classic Sunset Garden Zone 23.
Air-drained coastal slope, 20 miles inland, almost entirely coastal influence. Slightly psycho Mediterranean climate.
"If you're going to do it, you might as well overdo it . . . ."
Gateway to Whittier! Classic Sunset Garden Zone 23.
Air-drained coastal slope, 20 miles inland, almost entirely coastal influence. Slightly psycho Mediterranean climate.
"If you're going to do it, you might as well overdo it . . . ."
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 11:22 PM
Thats a complete coincidence, last night I was looking up the wild habitate and distribution of the Burmese tortoise Geochelone platynota, criticaly endangered, I found an adult couple for sale and wanted to get some of my facts straight before I launched into action.
Anyway I found a video and what caught my eye besides the tortoise estivating in the leaf litter was a stunner of a palm. Far as I can see a large completely round leaf like a flying saucer , no or invisible split in the leaf where the petiol joins, with ony the very tips of the leaflets split and drooping . In this area it looks like a healthy population as I saw a few leaves in different places (ha haha), might this be Speciosa? I would love it anyway.
Cant find the video clips darn it!
Anyway I found a video and what caught my eye besides the tortoise estivating in the leaf litter was a stunner of a palm. Far as I can see a large completely round leaf like a flying saucer , no or invisible split in the leaf where the petiol joins, with ony the very tips of the leaflets split and drooping . In this area it looks like a healthy population as I saw a few leaves in different places (ha haha), might this be Speciosa? I would love it anyway.
Cant find the video clips darn it!
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Posted 10 March 2012 - 02:55 PM
So where's a photo of your one Dave?! I would love to see it.
cheers
Richard
cheers
Richard
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Posted 10 March 2012 - 06:01 PM
So where's a photo of your one Dave?! I would love to see it.
cheers
Richard
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Ah, viva Guada La Habra!
Gateway to Whittier! Classic Sunset Garden Zone 23.
Air-drained coastal slope, 20 miles inland, almost entirely coastal influence. Slightly psycho Mediterranean climate.
"If you're going to do it, you might as well overdo it . . . ."
Gateway to Whittier! Classic Sunset Garden Zone 23.
Air-drained coastal slope, 20 miles inland, almost entirely coastal influence. Slightly psycho Mediterranean climate.
"If you're going to do it, you might as well overdo it . . . ."
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Posted 10 March 2012 - 06:38 PM
Thanks, love that shade of green.
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 12:37 AM
I have one grown from seed that is 12 years old and still only has three leaves... what a slug! But this plant below is supposedly Livistona speciosa (Pauleen's), though there is much debate about it.
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 04:51 AM
Hi Dave,
this is a specimen growing in southern Attica, Greece. It originates from seed collected in the FTG from a specimen labeled 'Livistona sp.'. I suppose sp. stands for speciosa but I am not sure. Beside the pictures all I can add is that it has thiner trunk than Livistona chinensis and the new leaves have a red ligule on the upper side.
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 08:36 AM
Hi Dave,
this is a specimen growing in southern Attica, Greece. It originates from seed collected in the FTG from a specimen labeled 'Livistona sp.'. I suppose sp. stands for speciosa but I am not sure. Beside the pictures all I can add is that it has thiner trunk than Livistona chinensis and the new leaves have a red ligule on the upper side.
Hmm.
I think "sp." means "species" but no one knows what kind. That said, the plant you picture looks like it could be one.
Very nice!
How about some pictures of Greece generally?
Ah, viva Guada La Habra!
Gateway to Whittier! Classic Sunset Garden Zone 23.
Air-drained coastal slope, 20 miles inland, almost entirely coastal influence. Slightly psycho Mediterranean climate.
"If you're going to do it, you might as well overdo it . . . ."
Gateway to Whittier! Classic Sunset Garden Zone 23.
Air-drained coastal slope, 20 miles inland, almost entirely coastal influence. Slightly psycho Mediterranean climate.
"If you're going to do it, you might as well overdo it . . . ."
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 10:13 AM
Dave, I'm confused...but that is another separate thread..... 
...but in staying on topic, i had thought that L. speciosa was a synonym for L.jenkinsiana....or, is it reversed, or is it resolved...i didnt check with 'The Kew Crew'.
A nice palm you have, regardless!
Rusty
...but in staying on topic, i had thought that L. speciosa was a synonym for L.jenkinsiana....or, is it reversed, or is it resolved...i didnt check with 'The Kew Crew'.
A nice palm you have, regardless!
Rusty
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Zone 10b, life in the subs!...except when it isn't....
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 10:58 AM
Dave, I'm confused...but that is another separate thread.....
...but in staying on topic, i had thought that L. speciosa was a synonym for L.jenkinsiana....or, is it reversed, or is it resolved...i didnt check with 'The Kew Crew'.
A nice palm you have, regardless!
Rusty
Rusty, I was under the same understanding. Livistona jenkinsiana is supposed to be one of the least hardy to cold. Dave, can you grow Saribus rotundifolius? I would guess them to be of similar cold tolerances.
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 11:40 AM
They are two species per Palms some time last year. jenkinsiana has larger leaves and seed differences if I remember correctly.Dave, I'm confused...but that is another separate thread.....
...but in staying on topic, i had thought that L. speciosa was a synonym for L.jenkinsiana....or, is it reversed, or is it resolved...i didnt check with 'The Kew Crew'.
A nice palm you have, regardless!
Rusty
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 12:05 PM
is that variegated? 
Hi Dave,
this is a specimen growing in southern Attica, Greece. It originates from seed collected in the FTG from a specimen labeled 'Livistona sp.'. I suppose sp. stands for speciosa but I am not sure. Beside the pictures all I can add is that it has thiner trunk than Livistona chinensis and the new leaves have a red ligule on the upper side.
I'm in a coastal Zone 8 where common cold hardy palms thrive. I'm trying to break the mold and have unusual cold hardy crosses or selections.
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 11:42 PM
Collected fruits were bluish and oval. This is a feature of asian Livistona spss just like Livistona chinensis. On the other hand this plant shows a different cultivational behaviour than latter one. It happen to have both and surely I say to you that this spaecimen needs cooler in summer temps than chinensis and was reletively cold tender in younger age. It follows a picture of my chinensis for comparison.
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Posted 12 March 2012 - 12:45 AM
Here's my L.jenkinsiana and L.speciosa ... I know, they aren't in California ...sorry...
A few years ago, there was talk they had been lumped into L.jenkinsiana, but according to the Kew checklist they are currently both valid species.
L.speciosa is similar, but has cupped leaves,and the petioles and petiole teeth are different when compared to those of L.jenkinsiana. I know you can't base the species on that, but they are certainly different palms at first glance. I planted mine together to compare them as they grow. Both about the same speed and size. Both about the same hardiness in my climate. I would say they have almost identical cultural requirements. Mine are getting too much shade, but one day will push through the poinciana that dominates that part of my garden now...
LJ on the left and LS on the right...take your pick...
regards,
Daryl
A few years ago, there was talk they had been lumped into L.jenkinsiana, but according to the Kew checklist they are currently both valid species.
L.speciosa is similar, but has cupped leaves,and the petioles and petiole teeth are different when compared to those of L.jenkinsiana. I know you can't base the species on that, but they are certainly different palms at first glance. I planted mine together to compare them as they grow. Both about the same speed and size. Both about the same hardiness in my climate. I would say they have almost identical cultural requirements. Mine are getting too much shade, but one day will push through the poinciana that dominates that part of my garden now...
LJ on the left and LS on the right...take your pick...
regards,
Daryl
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Temp Extremes 4C-42C
Rainfall - not consistent enough!
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 01:34 AM
Those are some interesting linksThey are two species per Palms some time last year. jenkinsiana has larger leaves and seed differences if I remember correctly.
Dave, I'm confused...but that is another separate thread.....
...but in staying on topic, i had thought that L. speciosa was a synonym for L.jenkinsiana....or, is it reversed, or is it resolved...i didnt check with 'The Kew Crew'.
A nice palm you have, regardless!
Rusty
http://www-public.jc...prd1_072209.pdf
http://books.google....habitat&f=false
The map shows the route of the Mekong river.
I've established contact with the Fairchild Tropical Botanic Garden and I got informed that there are three specimens tagged as 'Livistona sp.' (located in plot 84a and 84b), collected in Carnavon Range Australia (Livistona nitida?) and along the Mekong river in Thailand. So given that according to collector's testimony the fruit, from which originates my palm, was bluish this plant is probably Livistona speciosa.
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