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#1 DoomsDave

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 09:12 PM

Well, if you grow or know a specimen of L. speciosa near you, the L. speciosa Patrol wants to hear from you!

I've got one, and it's cool, but what about the rest of you?
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#2 DoomsDave

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 10:50 PM

Oh, come on.

Some of you, in So-Cal, a land of 25 million people

have at least TRIED to grow this palm.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 11:22 PM

Thats a complete coincidence, last night I was looking up the wild habitate and distribution of the Burmese tortoise Geochelone platynota, criticaly endangered, I found an adult couple for sale and wanted to get some of my facts straight before I launched into action.

Anyway I found a video and what caught my eye besides the tortoise estivating in the leaf litter was a stunner of a palm. Far as I can see a large completely round leaf like a flying saucer , no or invisible split in the leaf where the petiol joins, with ony the very tips of the leaflets split and drooping . In this area it looks like a healthy population as I saw a few leaves in different places (ha haha), might this be Speciosa? I would love it anyway.

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 02:55 PM

So where's a photo of your one Dave?! I would love to see it.
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Posted 10 March 2012 - 06:01 PM

So where's a photo of your one Dave?! I would love to see it.
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Posted 10 March 2012 - 06:38 PM

Thanks, love that shade of green.
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 12:37 AM

I have one grown from seed that is 12 years old and still only has three leaves... what a slug! But this plant below is supposedly Livistona speciosa (Pauleen's), though there is much debate about it.

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 04:51 AM

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Hi Dave,
this is a specimen growing in southern Attica, Greece. It originates from seed collected in the FTG from a specimen labeled 'Livistona sp.'. I suppose sp. stands for speciosa but I am not sure. Beside the pictures all I can add is that it has thiner trunk than Livistona chinensis and the new leaves have a red ligule on the upper side.
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 08:36 AM

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Hi Dave,
this is a specimen growing in southern Attica, Greece. It originates from seed collected in the FTG from a specimen labeled 'Livistona sp.'. I suppose sp. stands for speciosa but I am not sure. Beside the pictures all I can add is that it has thiner trunk than Livistona chinensis and the new leaves have a red ligule on the upper side.


Hmm.

I think "sp." means "species" but no one knows what kind. That said, the plant you picture looks like it could be one.

Very nice!

How about some pictures of Greece generally?
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 10:13 AM

Dave, I'm confused...but that is another separate thread..... :lol:

...but in staying on topic, i had thought that L. speciosa was a synonym for L.jenkinsiana....or, is it reversed, or is it resolved...i didnt check with 'The Kew Crew'. :D

A nice palm you have, regardless! :)

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 10:58 AM

Dave, I'm confused...but that is another separate thread..... :lol:

...but in staying on topic, i had thought that L. speciosa was a synonym for L.jenkinsiana....or, is it reversed, or is it resolved...i didnt check with 'The Kew Crew'. :D

A nice palm you have, regardless! :)

Rusty



Rusty, I was under the same understanding. Livistona jenkinsiana is supposed to be one of the least hardy to cold. Dave, can you grow Saribus rotundifolius? I would guess them to be of similar cold tolerances.
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 11:40 AM

Dave, I'm confused...but that is another separate thread..... :lol:

...but in staying on topic, i had thought that L. speciosa was a synonym for L.jenkinsiana....or, is it reversed, or is it resolved...i didnt check with 'The Kew Crew'. :D

A nice palm you have, regardless! :)

Rusty

They are two species per Palms some time last year. jenkinsiana has larger leaves and seed differences if I remember correctly.
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 12:05 PM

is that variegated? :blink:

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Hi Dave,
this is a specimen growing in southern Attica, Greece. It originates from seed collected in the FTG from a specimen labeled 'Livistona sp.'. I suppose sp. stands for speciosa but I am not sure. Beside the pictures all I can add is that it has thiner trunk than Livistona chinensis and the new leaves have a red ligule on the upper side.


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Posted 11 March 2012 - 11:42 PM

Collected fruits were bluish and oval. This is a feature of asian Livistona spss just like Livistona chinensis. On the other hand this plant shows a different cultivational behaviour than latter one. It happen to have both and surely I say to you that this spaecimen needs cooler in summer temps than chinensis and was reletively cold tender in younger age. It follows a picture of my chinensis for comparison.
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Posted 12 March 2012 - 12:45 AM

Here's my L.jenkinsiana and L.speciosa ... I know, they aren't in California ...sorry...Posted Image

A few years ago, there was talk they had been lumped into L.jenkinsiana, but according to the Kew checklist they are currently both valid species.

L.speciosa is similar, but has cupped leaves,and the petioles and petiole teeth are different when compared to those of L.jenkinsiana. I know you can't base the species on that, but they are certainly different palms at first glance. I planted mine together to compare them as they grow. Both about the same speed and size. Both about the same hardiness in my climate. I would say they have almost identical cultural requirements. Mine are getting too much shade, but one day will push through the poinciana that dominates that part of my garden now...

LJ on the left and LS on the right...take your pick...

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 01:34 AM


Dave, I'm confused...but that is another separate thread..... :lol:

...but in staying on topic, i had thought that L. speciosa was a synonym for L.jenkinsiana....or, is it reversed, or is it resolved...i didnt check with 'The Kew Crew'. :D

A nice palm you have, regardless! :)

Rusty

They are two species per Palms some time last year. jenkinsiana has larger leaves and seed differences if I remember correctly.

Those are some interesting links
http://www-public.jc...prd1_072209.pdf
http://books.google....habitat&f=false

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The map shows the route of the Mekong river.
I've established contact with the Fairchild Tropical Botanic Garden and I got informed that there are three specimens tagged as 'Livistona sp.' (located in plot 84a and 84b), collected in Carnavon Range Australia (Livistona nitida?) and along the Mekong river in Thailand. So given that according to collector's testimony the fruit, from which originates my palm, was bluish this plant is probably Livistona speciosa.
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