Dypsis ambositrae

[edric]

This is the only one that is pinnate, I'm sure the others will follow suit, nearly 26 months old, Ed

[trioderob]

ok here is my ambo

ambositrae gurus did I get a real one or false one?

Edited September 10, 2011 by trioderob

[peachy]

I have 3 ambos and none of them look the same. One does resemble Ed's and one is like Rob's but the 3rd purchased D. ambo wild form is different altogher.

Peachy

[richnorm]

ok here is my ambo

ambositrae gurus did I get a real one or false one?

I'm no guru but looks to me like you may have one of the ones with fewer, tougher, and longer leaflets. A small proportion seem to come out like that and I'm wondering if this could be hybridisation with decipiens or a form of decipiens from the collection area.

cheers Richard

[richnorm]

I have 3 ambos and none of them look the same. One does resemble Ed's and one is like Rob's but the 3rd purchased D. ambo wild form is different altogher.

Peachy

Pictures? Go on, make my day.

cheers Richard

[MattyB]

Ed,

To me, yours looks like like it might be a D. baronii type.

Triode,

I'm pretty sure yours is Dypsis decipiens.

[trioderob]

Ed,

To me, yours looks like like it might be a D. baronii type.

Triode,

I'm pretty sure yours is Dypsis decipiens.

MATTY-

got a photo of the real deal that I can A/B with mine ?

[MattyB]

Here's a shot from 2008 and the same plants last year from 2010. Notice the much more numerous and softer leaflets. This is what I'm calling the true D. ambositrae but I've seen some mention of very similar looking plants that are different and may be a contender for the real ambo. I don't have any experience with those other plants as far as I can tell. The seedlings that I currently have seem like they are just like this same plant pictured above.

[trioderob]

THANKS MATT-

you are a gentleman and a scholar

[MattyB]

Ed,

I looked at your picture again and I'm looking at some of the other plants in the background. Some of them appear to be more consistent with what I'm used to seeing as D. ambositrae. It's always hard to tell from pics, but I'm speculating that you might be experiencing what we've had happen out here, which is a batch of true D. ambositrae seed "cut" with some Dypsis baronii types. The last Dypsis baronii type that was mixed into D. ambositrae was the most fastest, most sun tolerant clumping dypsis that I've ever seen. That's what the one in front reminds me of.

[TimHopper]

Some of the members here say that my Decipiens is actually an Ambositrae. Tim

[Walter John]

Very nice Tim, whatever it is.

[MattyB]

I found this really nice set of old pics showing the strong juvenille red petioles on, what I'm growing as, the true Dypsis ambositrae. The color starts to fade after this stage, turning more of a rust color. The red is still there, but a thick waxy coating covers it.

[Eddie Spagetti]

I bought two of these from Perrito as ambositrae. Here's the first pinnate leaf on one of them.

The number of leaflets has increased significantly in the three leaves since.

[richnorm]

I found this really nice set of old pics showing the strong juvenille red petioles on, what I'm growing as, the true Dypsis ambositrae. The color starts to fade after this stage, turning more of a rust color. The red is still there, but a thick waxy coating covers it.

Matt, are you seeing the grey ramenta on your plants?

cheers

Richard

[MattyB]

Grey ramenta, as in the hairs on the underside of the leaflets? I'll have to look.

[Jeff Searle]

Tim / matty,

Your plants appear to look just like what D. ambositrae should look like. IMO...

[MattyB]

Jeff,

Tim's plant and my plant are differnt. Tim's plant most reminds me of that double headed freak that Steve (Urban Rainforest) has. It's like halfway between Dypsis decipiens and Dypsis ambositrae. Never the less, I'm 99% sure that Tim's plant is different than mine.

[DippyD]

Im no expert and tims plant is spectacular but to me it looks like a stretched out decepiens, not sure how much sun it actually gets but by the moss on the fence I would say it stays pretty dark. But then again thats my personal opinion and can be completely wrong

[DippyD]

And matt your palm is for sure a true ambo or what has been going around and matches it's description.

[edric]

You'd have a hard time convincing me that true ambositrae, (Kindreo), which Matty's palm is, and Tim's palm is not, will survive St. Augustine winters, Ed

[MattyB]

Ed,

Did you look at your first pic and my comments on it? I bet that front one is a different plant. Not sure about the ones in the back 'cause it's hard to tell from the pic. Got any close ups of the stems of these?

[edric]

Hi Matty, 40 days ago, Ed

[MattyB]

Yup. That looks like the D. ambo. What is that front one, that is going pinnate, in your first pic?

[edric]

Exactly the same seed recovered, and it looked just like the one in the photo I just posted, until recently, Ed

[MattyB]

If it starts to throw white petioles and appears to be a D. baronii type clumper then throw it out in the sun and watch what happens. I suspect that it's that super duper baronii.

[richnorm]

Grey ramenta, as in the hairs on the underside of the leaflets? I'll have to look.

You're on to it Matt. POM describes the presence of grey ramenta on ambos. I know Len/LJG has a plant with this but I have not seen it here on plants up to just trunking size. Maybe it takes a while to appear.

Cheers

R

[MattyB]

Here's what Palms Of Madagascar says about the ramenta on D. ambositrae:

"Distant tufts of pale grey ramenta over almost entire length of midrib"

I assume that "distant" refers to the spacing in between the ramenta, which, by the pics I just took of my palms, seems to be a good description of the ramenta spacing. Strangely, I could not see any ramenta on the older leaves, only the newest, largest leaves. Did the old ramenta fall off with age or did they not exist at that time on the younger palm? I don't know.

I wouldn't call the ramenta "grey". They look more brown to me.

POM also talks about the veining on the leaflets, with only the midrib vein being prominent and viewable from the top of the leaf. This is also consistant with my palm.

POM also talks about the very slight grouping of the leaflets on the rachis but the leaflets still appearing regular and held in a 90 degree "V". I never noticed it before but if you look at some of my previous pics in this thread, the leaflets are very slightly grouped on the rachis.

[richnorm]

Thanks Matt, they look a little different to Len's which are a pale grey to white in the photo (and possibly a different shape?) but as he points out that they start off brown and fade to grey. Seems like this characteristic takes time to establish and no doubt could be variable but nonetheless interesting to keep an eye on as a clue to IDing the "almost ambos".

cheers

Richard

Edited September 15, 2011 by richnorm

[MattyB]

I'm not familiar with Len's plant, or this other version of Dypsis ambositrae. Maybe he'll post some pics here. Or is there another thread that I can view?

[Alberto]

Today I planted out three of my D.ambositrae cultivated from seeds (RPS).They are now 3 years and 9 months old(+- 1and 1/2 year older than Edric´s shown above). Maybe too long in too little pots.

I hope they will grow better in the ground..............

[edric]

Today I planted out three of my D.ambositrae cultivated from seeds (RPS).They are now 3 years and 9 months old(+- 1and 1/2 year older than Edric´s shown above). Maybe too long in too little pots.

I hope they will grow better in the ground..............

They look fantastic Alberto, Ed

[richnorm]

I'm not familiar with Len's plant, or this other version of Dypsis ambositrae. Maybe he'll post some pics here. Or is there another thread that I can view?

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=29694&st=0&p=480892&hl=ambositrae&fromsearch=1&#entry480892

[richnorm]

Post 6 shows the ramenta, some good pix further down too.

cheers

R

Edited September 16, 2011 by richnorm

[nkbish]

Here are the two I got as ambositrae, not sure if true or not:

This one I got as a small one gal. and planted late last year. It has been a steady grow. Its in late afternoon sun. It seemed to cruse through the first winter

Got as a 5 gal and planted in spring. Its in about half day sun and has been growing good. It seens to show more white in the crown area, not sure if it is because it is bigger.

Im not sure if they are the real ones but they were purchased as such.

[Randall SD]

This is mine shortly after being purchased from an Ebay seller as D. ambrositrae in 2008 and then again this summer. It's really starting to take off after ground planting earlier this year.

July 2008, seedling in a gallon pot.

July 2008

On August 29th 2011 with spike.

On September 9th 2011 with the spike opened.

[Alberto]

Randall,Nick ...does your ambositraes have any sign of that´´ramenta´´? (that little brown/gray dots on the leaflets)

Mine young palms don´t show nothing similar to the ´´ramenta´´that Matty´s older palm shows....

[DippyD]

Nkb/Randall both your plants seem to be the real deal and I have a fee younger ones which seem to know show the white crown until a little larger. But they all look good and before u know it it'll be trunking

[nkbish]

Alberto: I do not see any on either of mine. Maybe it comes later?

[edric]

This one has had so much sun, that it's lost a bunch of its color, 26 months old, Ed