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Pinangas for So-Cal


DoomsDave

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Howdyall:

I'm perusing the price lists of various palm sellers and note the large number of Pinanga species listed. I also note that many are from tropical appearing areas.

I now have P. javana and P. coronata, both doing well so far.

Anyone have any other thoughts as to other species that at least have a fighting chance of not turning into one-season compost?

Thanks . . .

dave

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Gee, everyone, hasn't anyone tried to grow pinangas?

In so cal?

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Dave, any photos of your Pinangas? Do you keep them indoors? I didn't think they flourished in Mediterranean climates.

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Pinangas are tough to grow in South Florida, Dave! I have a coronata blunt form and also gave one to my father. I don't know much about javana(or any Pinangas, for that matter). I know speciosa seems to make it through our winters, year after year... Dicksonii, I heard is hardy(from Tyrone), but it's a coronata look-a-like. I started a thread on cold tolerant pinangas a while back, but only got crickets, for the most part. :unsure:

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I am going to pick up a 5 gallon P. coronata this weekend. I was told they do the best in Southern California. Dene in San Clemente has one in front of his yard for several years and it is doing very well but direct sun it seems to burn the leaves a bit. I plan on planting mine part shade and sun.

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Dave,

So far, P. javana is my favorite. As noted, coronata does well & phillipinensis is doing okay. I haven't really committed a spot yet to the latter, so it's been in a pot a couple years running.

Bret

 

Coastal canyon area of San Diego

 

"In the shadow of the Cross"

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Pinangas are awesome.

My Pinanga elmeri's(known previously a P.phillipenesis to many) have been doing well for me in my low, clay ridden area. Getting the right spot for them has been the trick for me. I planted a 5gal and a 15 gal on the SE side of my house. The 5gal is now as big as the 15 and way happier and the only difference is that I planted it in a corner. Could be genetics but I suspect it traps more moisture in that area.

My P.coronatas are rad but did not take a liking to the many frosts we had last winter. The P.elmeri's were way hardier. RLF says in his book that they come from a high elevation in the mountians. Good match for SoCal.

Have not got my hands on P.javana yet but that day is coming!

Vince Bury

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Dave, any photos of your Pinangas? Do you keep them indoors? I didn't think they flourished in Mediterranean climates.

P. coronoata seems to. I've got about three in the ground, and they took the cool of winter well. They just seem to need shade and plenty of water.

Javana i've had a short while, the test will be this coming winter.

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Thanks to all of you who replied.

And, a big recitation of the Sacred Word . . . .

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Pinanga dicksonii has been a flawless grow for me and quicker than coronata. I've got P adangensis going through winter as 2 leafers in the tunnel house at the moment. P javana are just sprouts for me at the moment so can't say yet how they go. P scortechinii is meant to be good too, but, mine were a no germination. I'm going to keep a look out for the others mentioned in this thread. P coronata is unstoppable for me. When I first joined the local palm society, at the first meeting I went too, one of the older members almost straight away said to me "don't bother with Hydriastele and Pinangas- they don't grow here" Well the Pinanga bit I've proved wrong. Still working on the Hydriastele bit. Had a wendlandianna last for two years. Just too marginal. Maybe the location was wrong.

Also I doubt any Pinanga will take actual frost on the leaves. You've got to protect them from that, and hot sun. In my area they suit a dappled light situation that takes the sting out of the summer sun, but lets the winter sun in to warm everything up. Direct hot 40C sun will destroy a Pinanga leaf.

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Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

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I have a large P. coronata in the shade garden. It got slapped around the past 2 winters but comes back. However, I've lost all my other Pinangas planted in the garden, including P. blue seed, javana, speciosa and a couple others. I love them but future palms will stay in pots.

Meg

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Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
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Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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Dave, the javana will appreciate partial day sun, or better yet, filtered sun. It'll just look prettier. Good irrigation as well, even to the point of soggy. I think we're too arid in SoCal to plunk these down in the middle of the yard exposed to all the harsh elements. My 2 cents..

Bret

 

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"In the shadow of the Cross"

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Here are the Pinanga Coronata I am going to plant in my garden. The larger one is a 5 gallon and the smaller one is the 1 gallon.

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I may pick up a Javana next depending on how these grow. Please post pictures of your Pinangas.

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PL:

Coronatas are easier than falling off a log to grow, here in so-cal, if you have shade

I've got Javanas, etc., and will order more in, and will see

The final frontier!

This is voyage of the Star Ship, Pinanga!

TO grow where they ain't been growed before . . .

[cue to music]

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P.glaucifolia seems to be quite hardy, as does P.disticha. Both hardier than the P.coronata 'kuhlii' form. P.adangensis, dicksonii, speciosa, phillipinensis, javana, 'sumatrana', caesia and P.coronata all do OK as well. most of mine have seen sub freezing temperatures, but were under canopy. All survived the cold, many without any leaf spotting at all. The worst damage was on P.kuhlii as it is not so leaf hardy as the others I mentioned. As long as they are kept moist they appear to tolerate cool and dry weather, as well as hot and dry weather. However, if you let the soil dry out, game over!

Daryl

Gold Coast, Queensland Latitude 28S. Mild, Humid Subtropical climate. Rainfall - not consistent enough!

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Thanks, Daryl!

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P.glaucifolia seems to be quite hardy, as does P.disticha. Both hardier than the P.coronata 'kuhlii' form. P.adangensis, dicksonii, speciosa, phillipinensis, javana, 'sumatrana', caesia and P.coronata all do OK as well. most of mine have seen sub freezing temperatures, but were under canopy. All survived the cold, many without any leaf spotting at all. The worst damage was on P.kuhlii as it is not so leaf hardy as the others I mentioned. As long as they are kept moist they appear to tolerate cool and dry weather, as well as hot and dry weather. However, if you let the soil dry out, game over!

Daryl

Great list there Daryl. More for me to try out. P caesia is awesome.

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

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A few not mentioned but worth a try Dave is the following

post-5709-097115400 1312863732_thumb.jpg Pinanga Sinni

post-5709-023689200 1312863740_thumb.jpg Pinanga Densiflora

post-5709-055616500 1312863747_thumb.jpg Pinanga Scortechinii

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A few not mentioned but worth a try Dave is the following

post-5709-097115400 1312863732_thumb.jpg Pinanga Sinni

post-5709-023689200 1312863740_thumb.jpg Pinanga Densiflora

post-5709-055616500 1312863747_thumb.jpg Pinanga Scortechinii

More to write down. :D

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

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  • 3 years later...

Far from any success story but have a couple of small Insignis seedlings really, that seem to be doing well for me inside the house.

I'll pat myself on the back a year from now if they continue to grow and be happy.

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I have Pinanga coronata and P. philippinensis, both in 5g pots. These will go in the ground next spring. So far they are doing great, the coronata is getting so large it really wants to be in a 15g container.

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Dave, any photos of your Pinangas? Do you keep them indoors? I didn't think they flourished in Mediterranean climates.

P. coronoata seems to. I've got about three in the ground, and they took the cool of winter well. They just seem to need shade and plenty of water.

Javana i've had a short while, the test will be this coming winter.

my coronata's are starting to take on about 3 hours of direct sunlight and starting to really go. Javana i'll buy this coming spring so i can't comment on that yet

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Here's a javana that has really grown well, with a few rings of trunk. The leaf burn is from the dry Santa Ana conditions of a few weeks back:

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Bret

 

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"In the shadow of the Cross"

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Also wataniana is entering it's 2nd winter. I think it's one of the only cold tolerant "mottled" ones.

Bret

 

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"In the shadow of the Cross"

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  • 3 years later...

Javana have been just fine for me in the ground after a year. Caesia isn't happy but has survived in the ground under dense canopy and continued to grow. Blue seed has been fine in pots so far but small. Coronata of course is a no brainer. I'm hoping I can get speciosa going here from seed.

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