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Butia marmorii (like) rare specie

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I recently returned from the north of my country with a palm friend of the US, from a small place that i did knew since years ago where grew some very rare multiple stemmed Butias with subterranean trunks i had pictured many times and keep the location as secret.-

The palm was very rare, difficult to see and just a few people knew the place where they grew.-

. SAD, SAD! to see that from  just less of 30 palms that were growing in the small grasslands, just only one is surviving now (after a long search the only i saw), the rest were digged up.-  Some palms will be seen just by pics taken four and five years ago that are in PACSOA website.-

This is - was an different then any specie named under B. marmorii but this is now just a remember.- Hard to be withness how an palm specie was from rare status to completely extint.-

Fortunately some few seeds of this palm i was able to harvest some seeds years ago wich i sent to the US (Calif, Texas, Hawaii) and to the UK.-

Gaston in Argentina.-

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Gaston,

Do you have photos?

Where did the seeds get sent to and what was the result?

Enquiring minds want to know!

Thanks,

JC

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this is very sad.reminds me of the story on msnbc today

about the endangered nepalese rhinos that just went missing.i think we're going to be seeing more & more of this :(

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Gaston,Who dig up this palms? What was the purpose?Transplant or destroy? Probably you also have seedlings..........?

 BTW How are ´´mine´´ B. microspadix?????

 Um abraço.Alberto

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Very sad.  I hope it can at least survive in cultivation.

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Gaston,

Did you get any nice photos of Trithrinax on your trip north?  Love to see them.

Dick

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How is that one listed on the PACSOA site? The one that looks most like your description in Paraguay sp III. Just wondering.

Zac

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Yes, really sad to search in the same place where theres now holes, grasses but not palms.-

I think were digged up for sale and think i know who was, and but i unknow certainly how he did know about the place,  also there was some lower quantities of Allagopteras.-

I get just two seedlings of this clustered Butia sp.- There was not fruits this time in the single surviving palm.-

. - Gaston

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Hi, Gaston;

A VERY sad, disheartening story.  In this sort of situation, it is difficult to avoid the kind of catastrophe that occurred here.  My philosophy is  to keep the location confidential, but gather seed, and a very, very small number of plants, and get some dedicated plantsmen reproducing the plant before the original population disappears.  Obviously, this won't always work; we have some endangered sand hill spp. in Florida which won't survive in microclimates less stringent than their native range.  Sabal etonia isn't one of them; it's doing fine!   Best Wishes,  merrill

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I would hate to think that it was Dr Noblicks published palm article recently in the IPS journal that led to their demise.

There was also an online article in Brazil.

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(Gaston in Argentina @ Jan. 07 2007,23:41)

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I get just two seedlings of this clustered Butia sp.-

Gaston, is this the same seed you sent me ?

You sent me Butia campicola and I have 1 seedling, and also the clustering Butia of which I have one, but this is a big seedling.

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Hi Nigel.

I sentyou seeds of this Butias but also from another ones.-

Here´s a pic of the only one survivor of the Butia marmorii like palm i found after an entire afternoon long search in the sitemarmoriial0.jpg.-  Gaston,

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I found at ................................................................................

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......  http://www.cemunnos.nl/assortiment/palmen/butia/butia.html

...... Butia campicola offered. how rare or common are this? are this field dug or cultivated specimens????

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Alberto.

Butia campicola is an extremely rare palmeira, none into cultivation.- They grow near as wild near your place, border with Py.-

Gaston

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If it is not cultivated..... how this rare palms are now been offered in Holland? Pretty large specimens....

 Gaston,I ´m afraid ´´your´´B.marmoriis,also went the same way to one or another nursery in or outside South America. :(

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(Alberto @ Mar. 06 2007,06:41)

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If it is not cultivated..... how this rare palms are now been offered in Holland? Pretty large specimens....

 Gaston,I ´m afraid ´´your´´B.marmoriis,also went the same way to one or another nursery in or outside South America. :(

I know Dennis at Cemmunos , he is a good person not capable of things like that.

I ask him about it and report back.....

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Hey Nigel

When do you have these on sale?

Regardez

Juan

PS only kidding!

Will ring you latter on another palm matter.

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(Bilbo @ Mar. 06 2007,08:11)

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Hey Nigel

When do you have these on sale?

Juan,

When my lonesome seedling from Gaston bears babies !

I got a reply from Dennis at cemunnos....

Hi Nigel!

Yes please, i understand that people don't understand dutch, but we are

not offering them, we give information about the species!

Palms we offer can be found at our forum and offer site, but in Dutch!

Thank you very much, i hope you are allright by the way :-) ,

Met vriendelijke groeten,

Cemunnos, Uw partner in vorstbestendig exotisch tuinieren

Dennis Oosterhof

[a]: Bultsweg 38

[p]: 7532 XH - Enschede

[t]: +31 (0) 53 4611424

[m]: +31 (0) 6 53326469

[e]: info@cemunnos.nl

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Maybe this well intended article sealed their fate ?

Online article

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The pic of Butia campicola in the Cemunos website is mine, from i plant i bring (was in a road border next to death) for show how the clustered palms develope from the mother trunk in the subterranean sand.- Bring two for try to rescue it but none survived.- Note the narrow leaflets and soft leaves.-

After the Noblick article, i undestand they arent true B. campicola if not the new described B.marmorii.-

Alberto, i have nothing to do with that palms, but i have my feelling they are growing in a nursery of here or in Spain or Italy, not in the northern Europe.-

Gaston

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