Dypsis canaliculata

[ariscott]

This is mine....

Sorry about the photos. I have to go out there again later and take a proper photo if you think it is worth taking more photos. The LCD backlight on my camera died while we were walking around and it was too wet to take the other camera. And it was very hard to take photos when the display is dead and no viewfinder...

Regards, Ari

Edited September 18, 2010 by ariscott

[BS Man about Palms]

Ari I'd love to see a few more pix if you could! Can you show the base of the petiole to see if there is any color or tomentum?

Looks pretty good from what I see....

[Daryl]

Here's one I planted today. I bought it as a 'Maria's Stumpy' a few years ago, but have my doubts...after being neglected in a pot it has finally found a home! If I go by Bill's comments this isn't D.canaliculata as the spear is green.

Daryl

[ariscott]

Here it is, Bill....

What do you think? It is not green...

Regards, Ari

[ariscott]

Apparently, this one shows it better... (Scott told me to post this as well)

and Scott thinks Daryl & I have the same palm, whatever they are...

Regards, Ari

[BS Man about Palms]

Cool! Thanks to the both of you for the pics!

Ari, looking closer, I'm sure yours is the same batch of Canaliculata.

Daryl, I see the little tomentum specs that most of the others don't have, plus it is pretty colorful/ red at the base. I think if it came from a humid greenhouse or shadehouse it may be that green. I forgot that each leaf/petiole has shown more color as its out on its own. So I'll go out on the limb with Scott and say probably. If it doesn't get more color in the next year, probably not.

Both look really good!!

[ariscott]

Mine is bigger than Daryl... It has been in the ground for at least 2 years. It is now 2m tall (sorry, I was to shy to pose in front of it).

Regards, Ari

[BS Man about Palms]

Yeah, it looked a little leggy from all the shade its getting. But growing well I can see!

[ariscott]

It is not as shady as it looks... It gets FULL morning sun.

Regards, Ari

Edited September 19, 2010 by ariscott

[Ntheastpalms]

Here's a couple of updated pics for BS Man

Lots of colour on the new spear.

[Ntheastpalms]

& just a few more

It is really hard to get a full size shot of the palm so the photos are a bit dark. Just a couple of minutes after the photos were taken it was pouring rain.

[ariscott]

Hi Matt,

It looks like yours & mine are about the same size. How tall is that fence? Let's compare in the next few years...

Regards, Ari

[Ntheastpalms]

Hi Ari

The fence is 1.8m high. For a large Dypsis this palnt is a rocket.

[ariscott]

They are definitely about the same size... let's compare in 2 years...

Regards, Ari

[BS Man about Palms]

Looking spectacular Matt!! Glad to see the shade is off, how long now?

[Ntheastpalms]

Hi Bill

The shade has been off since the begining of September & the palm gets sun until midday than again from mid afternoom no sign of sunburn at all.

If only all "Big" Dypsis were this easy for me to grow.

[MattyB]

Sorry to hear you are anti-Dypsis lately Peachy... Hey, POM listed 140 species of Dypsis....there's bound to be confusion and new ones added.

But a big one like this Big Curley/prestoniana? at Mardys today shows the wait is worth it. The Lenster in the pic.

This pic makes len look about 12 years old. It's either the huge Dypsis palm he's standing next to, or those 3/4 high socks. Probably the socks.

[realarch]

Now that these guys have shown quite a bit of growth they might be easier to identify. The first pic I posted a year ago to the month and the only guess at the time was 'prestoniana complex'. Interesting horizontal growth habit and in full sun all day.

One is growing a bit faster than the other and is showing a rust color at the base of the petiole. It's really gotten beefy after a year in the ground. That's a one gallon pot for scale.

One year ago

today

[BS Man about Palms]

Sorry to hear you are anti-Dypsis lately Peachy... Hey, POM listed 140 species of Dypsis....there's bound to be confusion and new ones added.

But a big one like this Big Curley/prestoniana? at Mardys today shows the wait is worth it. The Lenster in the pic.

This pic makes len look about 12 years old. It's either the huge Dypsis palm he's standing next to, or those 3/4 high socks. Probably the socks.

[BS Man about Palms]

Tim- Is yours showing any red/tomentum on the emerging spear?

Looks great by the way....

BIG DYPSIS RULE!

[realarch]

Hi Bill, thanks for the reply. There isn't any tomentum on the spear at all, just 'clean green' from where it emerges. Once the spear has developed there is red tomentum at the base of the petiole. Here's a pic.

[BS Man about Palms]

Interesting Tim, not showing a characteristic that shows up in Australia and here....

[Moose]

Mine sat and did nothing for six months after being in the ground for a year. In june it sent up two spear leaves remote from each other. It seemed odd since I never saw that before. Now it is doing it again. Just curious, does this species ever develope into a double trunk. I am wondering if that is happening to mine?

Guess I will just sit back and see what happens.

[edric]

Mine sat and did nothing for six months after being in the ground for a year. In june it sent up two spear leaves remote from each other. It seemed odd since I never saw that before. Now it is doing it again. Just curious, does this species ever develope into a double trunk. I am wondering if that is happening to mine?

Guess I will just sit back and see what happens.

How about some photos? love to see close up, Ed

[Moose]

Mine sat and did nothing for six months after being in the ground for a year. In june it sent up two spear leaves remote from each other. It seemed odd since I never saw that before. Now it is doing it again. Just curious, does this species ever develope into a double trunk. I am wondering if that is happening to mine?

Guess I will just sit back and see what happens.

How about some photos? love to see close up, Ed

Ed - it is heavliy surrounded by crotons. The leaflets are so thick on the palm that I have to "feel around" for the spear leaves. As the grow out I can get a picture. To get a picture of the base will be difficult.

[BS Man about Palms]

Moose- I know the growing point/crown spreads a lot on these once given some room and sun. Be careful of water in the crown and or rot.

[Moose]

Moose- I know the growing point/crown spreads a lot on these once given some room and sun. Be careful of water in the crown and or rot.

Bill - agreed on the spread. It just threw two spears almost simultaneously for the second time. We will monitor its development. It is located in very sandy well drained soil. Our rainy season is in the summer. Our dry season is during our cooler winters. Crown rot is not usually a problem for me. Since I look at almost every plant in my garden at least once a week, corrective measures are usually quickly taken when something goes amiss.

You, Jeff and Ryan have taught me that crown rot should be monitored on most dypsis until a trunk developes.

[BS Man about Palms]

My turn to ask the Moose for an update on the "twin spear" process...

[Moose]

Well, aaaigh, urrrr, aaaaargh ... Pfffffft

Bill - Get your booty back to South Florida and I'll let you touch it.

[BS Man about Palms]

[Moose]

Bill - it is difficult to take photos showing the twin spears. I believe the crown (meristem) has split. I tried something I've never done before. Tried to outline the base of the two spears. They really look remote from each other. I'll try and get my son to help with better pictures. These are a month old and the spears are much longer now.

[BS Man about Palms]

OK Ron.. I used the tiny drawing pic to get the idea, and then looked on your previous big one.

I have never heard of these as being multiples... Soooo I suspect one of two things. Either a late germinating seed stuck near the first one ..ooorrr a Double germination off of one seed. Rarely do those make it to full size.

But I do not suspect a problem if they are both growing... I suspect "twins"

Pretty Cool.

[LJG]

Or it could be that it really did divide or even sucker. I believe Marcus has a multiple Carlsmithii. Darian has a multiple Decaryii and Leptchelois. You don't find many multiples of Decepiens in wild but they are more common than singles in cultivation.

[edric]

Hi Ron, you are a lucy man, I dare anyone on the face of the earth, to show me another big tillering Dypsis, with two growing points below ground elevation, but am I wrong? does anyone else have one, thanks, Ed

[Moose]

OK Ron.. I used the tiny drawing pic to get the idea, and then looked on your previous big one.

I have never heard of these as being multiples... Soooo I suspect one of two things. Either a late germinating seed stuck near the first one ..ooorrr a Double germination off of one seed. Rarely do those make it to full size.

But I do not suspect a problem if they are both growing... I suspect "twins"

Pretty Cool.

Bill - I pretty much gotta rule out a "late germinating seed" hypothesis. Double germination (double embryo) kinda of unlikely put can not be ruled out. Jeff Searle is the "Daddy". I suspect that if he saw a "double germination" he would have held the palm for his garden. Got it as a 3 gallon, stepped it to a 7 and grew it for several years. Because it is a tillering Dypsis, I wanted to make sure it was really established. Actually I contacted Ryan (Palmarum) to get his opinion. There was never any evidence that this palm was not a single growth point (meristem) palm prior to planting I still have my Tahina spectabilis in a container because I am too paranoid of it declining after planting.

I am leaning towards Len's suggestion that it has split or suckered. I felt kinda confident before that it started to split soon after planting. However, it was suggested that it may have just been doing a double spear from the same meristem. Was not curious enough to dig it up to find out. The base was very crowded and I was not completely sure. I figured that time would tell. It was only recently that evidence that the emerging spears were seperated enough that it could be surmised that they were coming from seperate growth points.

Ed - thank you, I have been called many, many different things in my life. A "Lucy" man is a first though. LOL

Interesting that neither growth point is dominating the other. One lags slightly behind the other in pushing the new spear but thats it. Both develope at the same time year after year, each has the same number of leaves.

[edric]

OK Ron.. I used the tiny drawing pic to get the idea, and then looked on your previous big one.

I have never heard of these as being multiples... Soooo I suspect one of two things. Either a late germinating seed stuck near the first one ..ooorrr a Double germination off of one seed. Rarely do those make it to full size.

But I do not suspect a problem if they are both growing... I suspect "twins"

Pretty Cool.

Bill - I gotta pretty much gotta rule out a "late germinating seed" hypothesis. Double germination (double embryo) kinda of unlikely put can not be ruled out. Jeff Searle is the "Daddy". I suspect that if he saw a "double germination" he would have held the palm for his garden. Got it as a 3 gallon, stepped it to a 7 and grew it for several years. Because it is a tillering Dypsis, I wanted to make sure it was really established. Actually I contacted Ryan (Palmarum) to get his opinion. There was never any evidence that this palm was not a single growth point (meristem) palm prior to planting I still have my Tahina spectabilis in a container because I am too paranoid of it declining after planting.

I am leaning towards Len's suggestion that it has split or suckered. I felt kinda confident before that it started to split soon after planting. However, it was suggested that it may have just been doing a double spear from the same meristem. Was not curious enough to dig it up to find out. The base was very crowded and I was not completely sure. I figured that time would tell. It was only recently that evidence that the emerging spears were seperated enough that it could be surmised that they were coming from seperate growth points.

Ed - thank you, I have been called many, many different things in my life. A "Lucy" man is a first though. LOL

Interesting that neither growth point is dominating the other. One lags slightly behind the other in pushing the new spear but thats it. Both develope at the same time year after year, each has the same number of leaves.

Omg, I miss spelled lucky, Ed

[BS Man about Palms]

Ron, If you can get some good pictures and explanation, I think your palm deserves its own thread..

I do have to say I am quite bummed that I missed on getting some multiheaded D. lepto's that were at Palm Mountain when I first got into this and did not appreciate their rarity..

I think most all died from neglect there. I thought they were ugly... neglect did not help.

(Yes, I know what you are all thinking... keep your snide comments to yourself. )

[BS Man about Palms]

Its OK Ed, I knew what you meant and are right on point with your observation, but I think of Ron as a "Lucy man" anyway... hahaha

[Moose]

Its OK Ed, I knew what you meant and are right on point with your observation, but I think of Ron as a "Lucy man" anyway... hahaha Stop teasing Bill!

Ed - I knew it was a typo, actually the Emerson, Lake and Palmer tune was going threw my head after seeing your post. Ed did ask an interesting question, has anyone else experienced a spliting of their Dypsis canaliculata?

Bill - my introduction to this device may have morphed me into a "Lucy man"

You guys and Lenny's comments made me go take a gander at the palm today. I pulled away the mulch from around the base of the palm to get a better view the bottom of the spears. Found that the mulch had been rendered into compost. Good thing I checked since it rained heavily yesterday afternoon. Compost was still damp. Got it mostly pulled away now. The base of the spears are seperated by three inches.

Next are the two spears in the upper canopy. The tip of one spear can be seen at my fore arm. My fingers are wrapped behind the other spear. This spear extends up another 18 inches. Could not pry my son away from facebook to assist with the photos. Leaflets are all over, the best I could do (sorry about the fuzzy focus) giving my physical "Lucy" limitations.

Bill - seriously, you need to stop by the next time you make it back out this way. I definitely can come nowhere near Mike Harris' place but there are some humble palmy offerings here in the Moose Land. Ed you are more than welcome if you make it down this way as well.

Best regards to all,

Ron

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[edric]

Its OK Ed, I knew what you meant and are right on point with your observation, but I think of Ron as a "Lucy man" anyway... hahaha Stop teasing Bill!

Ed - I knew it was a typo, actually the Emerson, Lake and Palmer tune was going threw my head after seeing your post. Ed did ask an interesting question, has anyone else experienced a spliting of their Dypsis canaliculata?

Bill - my introduction to this device may have morphed me into a "Lucy man"

You guys and Lenny's comments made me go take a gander at the palm today. I pulled away the mulch from around the base of the palm to get a better view the bottom of the spears. Found that the mulch had been rendered into compost. Good thing I checked since it rained heavily yesterday afternoon. Compost was still damp. Got it mostly pulled away now. The base of the spears are seperated by three inches.

Next are the two spears in the upper canopy. The tip of one spear can be seen at my fore arm. My fingers are wrapped behind the other spear. This spear extends up another 18 inches. Could not pry my son away from facebook to assist with the photos. Leaflets are all over, the best I could do (sorry about the fuzzy focus) giving my physical "Lucy" limitations.

Bill - seriously, you need to stop by the next time you make it back out this way. I definitely can come nowhere near Mike Harris' place but there are some humble palmy offerings here in the Moose Land. Ed you are more than welcome if you make it down this way as well.

Best regards to all,

Ron

,

Gee Ron thanks, but the new meds they got me on for the Parkinson's, I'm already developing a tolerance to, so this summer I'm going for Deep Brain Stimulation, so I'm not driving more than 20 miles or so at a time, but if you want to ever come here, you'll leave with a bunch of cool palms and Neo's, (boy the jokes that are going to be made over the first paragraph), Ed