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Tchan...tchan...tchan.....Tchaaaaaannnnn.... Ladies and gentleman:


Alberto

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I crossed my Butia eriospatha with pollen that came from California. Finally they are beginning to germinate.
B.eriospatha is the butia species that grows in the coldest and most humid climate (excepted B.microspadix) crossed with the giant and also super hardy Jubaea that grows in a drier habitat. Butia eriospatha also has longer fronds then B.capitata and are greener and cope with high rainfall year round and a fresh summer climate.
I think this hybrid will be winners for cold and humid climates!
The following cross I´ll perform will be Butia eriospatha x Parajubaea torallyi....

There are a few lucky guys wich received some seeds (swap) of this very rare seeds.
How are yours Nigel,M@x, Kristof.... I received also rare seeds and plants from some of this guys. There are folks that are very very generous! :):rolleyes:
In future maybe I´ll be able to sell some of this palms...

This are probably the first Butia eriospatha x Jubaea chilensis of the world! Take a look :drool:

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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Close up:

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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Araucarias in the mist

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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I really cant wait to see how these palms grow, but so far none of mine germinated and I am very jealous !!!

I think soon mine will germinate because I bought heating cables and a thermostat from the UK which will soon arrive in the post so I can make a thermostatically controlled hotbox.

I investigated the chicken egg incubator but it was 800 reais plus shipping, carrissimo !!!

Resident in Bristol UK.

Webshop for hardy palms and hybrid seeds www.hardy-palms.co.uk

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Nice Job Alberto! The Butia eriospatha seed I got from M@x are growing nicely, I think I like this one over the regular capitata which sometime rot out in our humid and wet climate.

Jubaea dont grow here in the humid rainy climate, maybe this B. eriosptaha x Jubaea hybrid will take the challenge?

Luke

Tallahassee, FL - USDA zone 8b/9a

63" rain annually

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Hey good work Alberto !

It will be interesting to see how this will grow in a humid place/

Here I have some Butia paraguayensis, B.yata that grow well and a B.capitata that is slow.

No luck with Jubaea but love the look of them.

Jim

Located on Vanua Levu near Savusavu (16degrees South) Elevation from sealevel to 30meters with average annual rainfall of 2800mm (110in) with temperature from 18 to 34C (65 to 92F).

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Congratulations, Alberto...very cool.

Rusty

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Pine Island - the Ex-Pat part of Lee County, Fl , USA

Zone 10b, life in the subs!...except when it isn't....

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Congratulations, Alberto. I am glad that hybrid is possible. It should be a very nice palm. B. eriospatha grows fast so the hybrid should be even faster. The sprouts look healthy and it seems you had a good flush of sprouts at one time. Did you use bottom heat? Let us know your sprouting method.

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looks like you've had great success they Alberto but iv think you've created a monster if the butia eriospatha x syagrus is any thing to go buy and good look with the butia eriospatha x parajubaea you guys are so lucky to be able to create your own palms I'm so jealous

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A monster would be correct w/ describing this hybrid! Good job, you have created probably the largest hybrid ever!!

It's gonna be interesting to see it as it grows!

Orlando, Florida

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WELL, SMACK ME UPSIDE MY HEAD WITH AN AURACARIA CONE . . . .

Seriously, that sounds like a a real boundary-bustin' hybrid, so, I hope yuo'll send some to people who could benefit, like in the Carolinas?

whoo-hoooooo!

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WELL, SMACK ME UPSIDE MY HEAD WITH AN AURACARIA CONE . . . .

Seriously, that sounds like a a real boundary-bustin' hybrid, so, I hope yuo'll send some to people who could benefit, like in the Carolinas?

whoo-hoooooo!

Dave, being one of those "people who could benefit, like in the Carolinas" I have to agree :mrlooney: , But I bet that hybrid could give you So-Cal guys a huge palm that would make your Jubaea's (wish I had a large one) look like they were frozen in place.

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WELL, SMACK ME UPSIDE MY HEAD WITH AN AURACARIA CONE . . . .

Seriously, that sounds like a a real boundary-bustin' hybrid, so, I hope yuo'll send some to people who could benefit, like in the Carolinas?

whoo-hoooooo!

Dave, being one of those "people who could benefit, like in the Carolinas" I have to agree :mrlooney: , But I bet that hybrid could give you So-Cal guys a huge palm that would make your Jubaea's (wish I had a large one) look like they were frozen in place.

tHAT MIGHT COULD, POSSIBLY, MAYBE BE TRUE . . .

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

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:D

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

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I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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WELL, SMACK ME UPSIDE MY HEAD WITH AN AURACARIA CONE . . . .

Seriously, that sounds like a a real boundary-bustin' hybrid, so, I hope yuo'll send some to people who could benefit, like in the Carolinas?

whoo-hoooooo!

Dave, being one of those "people who could benefit, like in the Carolinas" I have to agree :mrlooney: , But I bet that hybrid could give you So-Cal guys a huge palm that would make your Jubaea's (wish I had a large one) look like they were frozen in place.

Hey don't forget us up here! We desperately need something besides Trachycarpus.

Sequim, WA. cool and dry

January average high/low: 44/32

July average high/low: 74/51

16" annual average precipitation

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I crossed my Butia eriospatha with pollen that came from California. Finally they are beginning to germinate.

B.eriospatha is the butia species that grows in the coldest and most humid climate (excepted B.microspadix) crossed with the giant and also super hardy Jubaea that grows in a drier habitat. Butia eriospatha also has longer fronds then B.capitata and are greener and cope with high rainfall year round and a fresh summer climate.

I think this hybrid will be winners for cold and humid climates!

Big Congrats there!

Say, what are your expectations regarding hardiness.

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A monster would be correct w/ describing this hybrid! Good job, you have created probably the largest hybrid ever!!

It's gonna be interesting to see it as it grows!

You could be right, I think either this one or the cross between parajubaea and jubaea will be the biggest. Perhaps Jubaea needs to be mummy though ?

Resident in Bristol UK.

Webshop for hardy palms and hybrid seeds www.hardy-palms.co.uk

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Say, what are your expectations regarding hardiness.

Thanks all!

Being B.eriospatha the cocosoid from the coldest and wettest habitat in summer and winter( tablelands of south Brazil above 1000m altitude) and Jubaea (not from a so cold habitat) but that mysteriously IS the hardiest cocosoid, I think this will be the hardiest hybrid ,and if it will inherite the ´´wet and cold hardiness´´of mummy Erio , it will be a winner! :winkie: And a monster also because erios can show quite thick trunks , longer fronds and compared to my two B.capitatas that I´m growing from seeds ,also FASTER growing! (Maybe capitatas needs more heat???In summer our temperatures are around 25 degr. Celsius and max.temperatures at very hot days are 31-32 degr. Celsius,when everybody says: ooch! It´s warm today!))

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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My oldest erio

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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My shot of a B.eriospatha in Santa Catarina (used by PACSOA)

Eriospathas has flat fronds when young but V-shaped when older...

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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Tchan...tchan...tchoing... I guess these awesome hybrids need a performance test by the sea... :lol::lol::rolleyes:

Sirinhaém beach, 80 Km south of Recife - Brazil

Tropical oceanic climate, latitude 8° S

Temperature extremes: 25 to 31°C

2000 mm average rainfall, dry summers

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My shot of a B.eriospatha in Santa Catarina (used by PACSOA)

Eriospathas has flat fronds when young but V-shaped when older...

I'm trying to visualize a combination of that palm and a Jubaea, and I think we have a real winner on our hands.

Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22

7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m)

Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C)

Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm)

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Nice visuals of some really old specimens... :greenthumb: And dear Alberto nice work and all the best. :)

And i must point out one thing here is the butia's seeds love oscillating temperatures.And not constant temperature to germinate. :hmm: For me most of the time the buitas do germinate but when repotted they rot due to high coastal humidity with wet winters. :huh:

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Kris :)

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Congratulations Alberto.

These hybrids could mean more palm-fans in temperate climate regions.Many people ARE WAITING FOR THESE KINDS OF BREAKTHROUGHS so they can plant palms in colder climates.

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A monster would be correct w/ describing this hybrid! Good job, you have created probably the largest hybrid ever!!

It's gonna be interesting to see it as it grows!

You could be right, I think either this one or the cross between parajubaea and jubaea will be the biggest. Perhaps Jubaea needs to be mummy though ?

Nigel,

Using Jubaea as the mother plant, Patrick has tried crossing it with Parajubaea cocoides. He got a very poor seed set and only managed to get two to germinate. Unfortunately he accidently broke the root off when transplanting and neither of the seedlings survived. Jubia has proved to be very hard to cross with anything except with Butia, Bujubaea, and to a lesser degree with Syagrus.

Alberto's cross with B. ereospatha X Jubea should grow into a huge very cold hardy palm, and probably very suited for Europe and cooler climates. I bet B. ereospatha crossed with any Parajubaea would be nice too. The base of the trunk of my Butia X Parajubaea cocoides is now much larger than a basketball and is still expanding. The verticle part of the trunk is begining to expand, and I think it's going to be a rather large palm.

Dick

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Tchan...tchan...tchoing... I guess these awesome hybrids need a performance test by the sea... :lol::lol::rolleyes:

The 3 butia eriospatha that I gave you have biten the dust,wasn´t it? With Jubaea blood in it it isn´t a good candidate for your climate ,Gileno. I think the Butyagrus barkemai (you called them so :lol: ...)with the tropical Syagrus oleracea blood will be a better choice for you,I think....

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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Alberto's cross with B. ereospatha X Jubea should grow into a huge very cold hardy palm, and probably very suited for Europe and cooler climates.

Dick

I really hope so,Dick! :winkie:

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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Hi Alberto,

Would you bet for a USDA Zone 8 or the limt would be just 9?

...Simona...I really don´t know....??????????????

I bet it´s a better choice than a pure Jubaea or pure Butia for a zone 8 climate.......

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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:drool: Very exciting ! :drool::mrlooney:

Congratulation for your babies ! It could be a fabulous hybrid for our west coast in France. Please, let me know if you purpose adoptions ! :rolleyes:

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Alberto:

I can't beleive I missed this thread ealier. YOU ROCK!!

Thank you for expanding the hybrid world and making more cool and cold tolerant palms. The B. eriospatha x P. TVT should be incredibly interesting as well.

Make as many of those seeds as you can...pretty, pretty please! We in the Pacfic northwest could sure use some more bulletproof pinnate palms.

I am still having trouble getting over the Picture of the Eriospatha x Syagrus Santa Catarina that you posted earlier. Just breathtaking!

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Average July hi/Lo 72/52 - Average Jan hi/lo 45/38 - Precipitation 20 inches.

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All we need to do now is cross this hybrid with a coconut in a few years, and we'll have a cold hardy giant coconut which will grow in Germany. :D

Excellent stuff.

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

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How exciting! This is the hybrid I figured would be perfect for the climes discussed previously and had been waiting for one of you hybridizer's to come up with it... way to go Alberto! If you start a list of potential customers, please put my name on it... thanks! Can't wait to see future update pictures! Jv

Jv in San Antonio Texas / Zone 8/extremes past 29 yrs: 117F (47.2C) / 8F (-13.3C)

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I have a Butia that is very robust and has grown to be larger than all the others I have. Not only is its size unique, but it has viscious large thorns along the petiole and the bottom part of the imature fruit is a beautiful red color. The fruit is so colorful that Patrick Schafer has nicknamed the palm "Rainbow".

This year Patrick crossed the Butia with Parajubaea TVT and got an excellent seed set. The fruit is not ripe yet but should be before cold weather sets in. If the seeds are viable, this should make a very interesting, hardy hybrid.

Dick

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There are a few lucky guys wich received some seeds (swap) of this very rare seeds.

How are yours Nigel,M@x, Kristof.... I received also rare seeds and plants from some of this guys.

Just to update on my dismal butia seed germination record here in brasil, a few Butia eriospatha seeds have now germinated at ambient temperatures in the last week. Remarkable because the temperature has never been more than 20C and down to 12C at night.

Resident in Bristol UK.

Webshop for hardy palms and hybrid seeds www.hardy-palms.co.uk

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Alberto, how old is that MONSTER in your post #19?

I could be in for a shock a few years down the road now that my one is adapting to the Emarald Ilse.

Regards Andy.

Bangor, Norin Iron Zone 9a Min temp normally around -3 Degrees C, rarely -6C. Only 2 x -2.0C so far, verging on 9b this year. No snow or Frost this Winter. Several just subzero's this year, lets hope it stays this way. Normally around 5C to 10C + in winter, with lots of wind & rain. Summers usually better, 20C to 25 C occasionally 25C to 28C, also quite humid being a coastal town

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Alberto, how old is that MONSTER in your post #19?

I could be in for a shock a few years down the road now that my one is adapting to the Emarald Ilse.

Regards Andy.

Andy,it´s very old. Around 90 years old probably.It was planted by one of the first dutch colonists here in Carambeí and his VERY old son would have chainsawed it if I had not offered to transplant the palm.

Some pics of the sprouting BxJ . They remembers my sprouting Jubaeas from five years ago. Heavier and thiccker than pure B.eriospathas.

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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The first 30 seedlings, yet....

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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Close up

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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To compare: a same aged seedling of B.eriospatha x Syagrus oleracea (same mother tree)

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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