Mazari Palm (Kashmir)

[buffy]

OK folks: This is one I'm real excited about. According to Tobias, these critters come from Kashmir and represent a wet/cold winter environment compared to the desert version. Does anybody have a decent sized specimen yet. I have two itty bitties. I'd love to hear a little more about them.

[iamjv]

Can't help you out on this one Buffy but I'm interested myself as this is on my 'desired' list.... Jv

[John Case]

I have a couple of seedlings, very silver. My understanding is that they are slow,,........very slow.....you know,.....slow.

Although they do well in full sun and take more water once established....

neat looking palms, even for suckering ones.

[plamfrong]

I'm not sure - but here's about all the weather data I can find from that (very general) area. I think it seems promising. We will just have to try it. I just planted my seeds of this palm yesterday.

Abbottabad

Sringar

What I'd really like to know is what became of a Nannorrhops collection offered by RPS.com perhaps 8-9 years ago, that was simply called 'Iran' (not Iran Silver), was supposed to be from farther north in Iran than previous collections, much more tolerant of cold and moisture than the usual form, and green rather than silvery. They only offered it once and never again. Does anyone out there have one and how has it performed? Maybe a separate thread would be appropriate.

[Kris]

Some nice visuals & stills of Nannorrhops

Nannorrhops ritchiana (Kashmir)

Nannorrhops arabica (Silver)

Nannorrhops ritchiana _Std Form.

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/24248/

Love,

Kris

[John Case]

Some nice visuals & stills of Nannorrhops

Nannorrhops ritchiana (Kashmir)

Nannorrhops arabica (Silver)

Nannorrhops ritchiana _Std Form.

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/24248/

Love,

Kris

Kris,

For what its worth, ritchiana and arabica are the same palm, according to Kew.

I like them both in any case.

[Kris]

Dear John

thanks for the clarification & your time.

Lots of love,

Kris

[sonoranfans]

OK folks: This is one I'm real excited about. According to Tobias, these critters come from Kashmir and represent a wet/cold winter environment compared to the desert version. Does anybody have a decent sized specimen yet. I have two itty bitties. I'd love to hear a little more about them.

the mazari palm is one of the few palms that seem to hate water. Fast draining soil and do not over water are the conditions it prefers. I killed one with regular water in a pot. This is the only potted palm I have that wants drier soil than parajubaea torallyi(PVT). I treat this palm almost like a cactus.

regards,

Tom

[buffy]

the mazari palm is one of the few palms that seem to hate water. Fast draining soil and do not over water are the conditions it prefers. I killed one with regular water in a pot. This is the only potted palm I have that wants drier soil than parajubaea torallyi(PVT). I treat this palm almost like a cactus. regards, Tom

That's why this palm is exciting. In its native Kashmir, it apparently deals with more water and cold than the standard form.

[John Case]

There is a another thread currently active on this palm.

Nannorrhops ritchiana

[buffy]

There is a another thread currently active on this palm. Nannorrhops ritchiana

It's the same species, but not the same providence. I know how to kill that already. Give it water in winter. The Kashmir form is what I'm trying to learn about here.

[sonoranfans]

Reading a little about kashmir, it seems to be an incredibly diverse area. There are some valleys that are shrouded by mountains and get alot less rain. Also, the geographical relief is tremendous, I wouldnt be suprised if these compact form mazaris grow on steep slopes that have terriffic drainage. It also appears that it rains in the monsoon season, july 15-sept 15 the warm season there, so I dont know if these palms would be any tougher against wet winters. It should be interesting to see what happens there in texas buffy, but this compact form of the mazari is apparently one of the slowest growing palms there is, so I dont expect to hear much for quite a few years.

Here is a paper I found on the rainfall in that region, table 2 compares the winter and summer rain.

http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcont...=droughtnetnews

best regards,

Tom

Edited July 1, 2009 by sonoranfans

[Brad Mondel]

is this mazari palm?

[Alberto]

I have two seedlings of the Kashmir mazari palm.They are slow! I bought seeds from RPS just because it was said to come from a more humid habitat. They were growing in the greenhouse but spider mites damaged the leaves badly. I cut the leaves that were drying up and thought:What the heck! I´ll plant them out and see what happens. So I planted the seedlings in very sandy well draining soil ,slightly raised up bed,and look better now after planted out,despite of the winter weather: freeze,rain......

My first germinated ´´regular Mazari palms´´ damped off the first year after germinated!

[tank]

Seedlings left out with a frost cloth with temps near 20F last winter. Currently looking good and growing well. Watch out for mealy bugs and other scale. These guys really do well with a regular application of insecticide, at least in my humid climate.

[Tad]

i have one in an area that gets flooded frequently by runoff from a sprinkler area, about 3 foot plus overall height doing quite well

[buffy]

i have one in an area that gets flooded frequently by runoff from a sprinkler area, about 3 foot plus overall height doing quite well

They can handle some water. It's just wet/cold that kills them like Roundup PRO.

[M@ximus]

Ciao Buffy!!

Here is my Mazari palm , 2 YO from seed!!

I know that you could be surprised, but a good watering and feeding , give you this results

Or not ???? :-)))))

Have a good day M@x

[M@ximus]

Here a Mazari palm from Beccari house in Florence

This palm have the same age of the one at Rome BG, and both , Florence and Rome, come from Beccari

Note how small is the one in Florence, compared with the one at Rome Bg.

and Florence is only 250 km north from Rome

Best M@x

[Brad Mondel]

i love the ones growong along the ground that is reely beutifull

so is mine a mazari palm? or the silver palmetto

[Bigfish]

I have a few of these that are over two years old now. I left them in a community pot for WAY too long, and killed a bunch of them trying to transplant them (the roots are very brittle). One of them was a beautiful variegated seedling also! I hated to lose that one. Anyway, I have about a dozen or more left, and they don't really seem all that slow to me. We've had a lot of rain here in Knoxville this spring, and they seem to like it, just like any other palm that I grow in pots. I killed quite a few over the winter in my basement, by letting them dry out too much (oops!).

Frank

[buffy]

The ole Mazari (Kashmir) is pushing out leaf number three. They don't seem that slow to me.

[migacebo]

Hi.

This is mine, and in this link there are more photos and explanations.

http://www.infojardin.com/foro/showthread.php?t=159288

August 08

August 09

Carlo Morici advised me to transplant pot very large. His roots need much space.

In summer the irrigation frequently (temperatures between 23ºC and 32ºC and 60 per cent of moisture average), in winter ( temperatures between 13 and 23ºC and 70 per cent of moisture average) irrigation very little, but that to my cactus. The roots are very thick.

I also believe that are not slow.

!Good luck¡

[buffy]

Here's what that little guy looks like now. It would lose a spear most winters for the first couple of years. After that, it's been rather bulletproof. There was mild leaf damage on a frond or two after 15F last winter, but I suspect this thing could take single digits. Probably 7 feet tall at the frond tips. The fronds have a distinctive texture to them. They feel leathery. It's more silvery than this picture conveys. 

 

 

[Alberto]

8 hours ago, buffy said:

Here's what that little guy looks like now. It would lose a spear most winters for the first couple of years. After that, it's been rather bulletproof. There was mild leaf damage on a frond or two after 15F last winter, but I suspect this thing could take single digits. Probably 7 feet tall at the frond tips. The fronds have a distinctive texture to them. They feel leathery. It's more silvery than this picture conveys. 

 

 

Wow that´s a beauty. I saw big Nannrops growing in the ground in a nursery near here, green form , silver form, So I know they can handle my climate. I have to try them again.

[Will]

On 9/8/2017 at 4:45 PM, buffy said:

Here's what that little guy looks like now. It would lose a spear most winters for the first couple of years. After that, it's been rather bulletproof. There was mild leaf damage on a frond or two after 15F last winter, but I suspect this thing could take single digits. Probably 7 feet tall at the frond tips. The fronds have a distinctive texture to them. They feel leathery. It's more silvery than this picture conveys. 

 

 

Amazing growth! Could you do some comparison between a normal Nannorrhops ritchiana?

[buffy]

No. Never got ritchiana to take the wet cold. I've had one meristem go to flower. It's a magnificent beast. It just keeps pushing out new meristems. 

[Will]

2 hours ago, buffy said:

No. Never got ritchiana to take the wet cold. I've had one meristem go to flower. It's a magnificent beast. It just keeps pushing out new meristems. 

So the normal Ritchiana couldn´t survive?

[buffy]

Not that it was super tested. I grew a couple of ritcheana that died young. This one spit out its meristems consistently for the first 5 years, then stopped doing it.  The leaves get beat up bad under 10F. Protected it when we went to -5F.