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Huntington Gardens


STEVE IN SO CAL

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I had a phone conversation this week about with one of our fellow IPS'rs here about the use of overhead watering at HBG, and how it was(IMHO) bad for the Parajubaeas. The other IPS'r said they didn't overhead water...

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If global warming means I can grow Cocos Nucifera, then bring it on....

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And one of the Parajubaeas in question....

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Nah...no overhead watering there!

(I won't say who it was,as I don't want to embarrass...but let me just say that he should give me some seeds from his only known seeding Rav Glauca in CA growing on his boulder strewn property in San Diego North County)

If global warming means I can grow Cocos Nucifera, then bring it on....

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Hmmm. I wonder who that is?????? I think Richard T, ElHoagie and LePalmazon discussed something along those lines while we were there in July. I THINK we did, it was kinda a blur as it was all so new to me. Dangit Steve, you make me really want to get back out there.

Zac

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Living to get back to Mexico

International Palm Society member since 2007

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Dear Steve  :)

what kind of research are they conducting in that

garden ?

it is of a popular belief that over head watering for

palm trees are very detrimental to its well being,as

it may eventually lead to fungal infection in the main

growth area.

only very few palms like lipstip palm tolerates this type

of over head sprinklers.

the watering method seen in your stills is good for a grass

lawn as it gives a near raining effect on the surrounding

plants.

Love,

Kris.

love conquers all..

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(krisachar @ Nov. 11 2006,01:21)

QUOTE
it is of a popular belief that over head watering for

palm trees are very detrimental to its well being,

How else in nature would palms receive water but from overhead?

Larry 

Palm Harbor, FL 10a / Ft Myers, FL 10b

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Larry,

BIG difference between mother Natures water and city water.  (Especially in a place that rarely gets rain water in the first place!)

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Alot of my plams get overhead wate simply because there is no other choice.... I wonder if thats not another "california thing" :)

Im sure it has to do with the heat drying differential we have opposed to ca.

Allen

Galveston Island Tx

9a/9b

8' Elevation

Sandy Soil

Jan Avgs 50/62

Jul Avgs 80/89

Average Annual Rainfall 43.5"

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(krisachar @ Nov. 11 2006,01:21)

QUOTE
Dear Steve  :)

what kind of research are they conducting in that

garden ?

it is of a popular belief that over head watering for

palm trees are very detrimental to its well being,as

it may eventually lead to fungal infection in the main

growth area.

only very few palms like lipstip palm tolerates this type

of over head sprinklers.

the watering method seen in your stills is good for a grass

lawn as it gives a near raining effect on the surrounding

plants.

Love,

Kris.

I think a palm in a tropical setting is use to overhead water, and is fine...A Parajubaea comes from a drier environment (EG try this with a blue Encephalartos)

And yes Kris, the grass looked good.

I would like to add that that the Parajube is seeding :)

If global warming means I can grow Cocos Nucifera, then bring it on....

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What moron was not aware that HBG used OH watering?, everyone knows that, it's the only way to water such a large area. Go ahead Steve, bring them out of the closet.

As far as OH watering on Parajubaea's, I am still not convinced of the theory. So Cal heat is more likely the culprit for putting them into the death throws. If a palm is healthy, OH watering, insects, Chupacabras, etc..., will not bother the palm. Only a stressed palm will be succeptable to the nasties in the environment. If the palm is stressed, then OH watering can contribute as a medium for fungal growth that can accelerate decline, but it is not likely to be the primary cause. So I still stand by heat stress as the prime cause of Parajubaea decline in So Cal.

Until further notice, I will stick with planting Parajubaea Sunkhas, they don't have these issues.

Gary

Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

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I'm sticking with MY theory...Jubes and Parajubes (as well as Braheas and others) don't do well in Fl because of the heat AND moisture. Just the opposite of why alot of the tropicals don't do well here in Ca..our cold AND wet winters. Parajubaeas don't do well in our hot inland summers IF you keep their feet too wet(not necessarily overhead watering) Pythium is the culprit, and it is caused by heat and too much moisture.

So, lets review...Gary's wrong, and I'm right.  :P

If global warming means I can grow Cocos Nucifera, then bring it on....

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(spockvr6 @ Nov. 11 2006,06:52)

QUOTE

(krisachar @ Nov. 11 2006,01:21)

QUOTE
it is of a popular belief that over head watering for

palm trees are very detrimental to its well being,

How else in nature would palms receive water but from overhead?

Some palm species, like Braheas, drill deep in the ground for water, and survive fine with little rainfall.  Or, they happen to be near an artesian spring, like desert oases surrounded by date palms.

Or, they hoard the dew, like Jubes apparently do.

dave

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