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#1 Kris

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Posted 21 October 2006 - 09:15 PM

Dear friends

I have a problem with the red stem palm,
i had purschased it 2 weeks ago.now for the
past 3 days iam seeing that the leaves are
gently drying up.as for watering the pot is
watered every alternate days. and i have never
allowed the pot to dry-up !

then what is happening to my baby ?

the huge pot is placed near the main gate lighting
which works all night.and the pot gets diffused
sunlight i.e semishade condition.

my location is high humidity coastal region_
Madras. temperature is around 96 to 104 avg.
water is soft, free from salt i.e its palatable.

please help me out & ur info on this regard will
be greatly appricieated.

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Posted 21 October 2006 - 09:52 PM

Kris,
What is your coldest nightime temperature now?
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Posted 21 October 2006 - 09:57 PM

Dear Dypsis dean  :)

here the night temperature is around 86 to 88f
and throught the year it does not go below 82f
on normal weather conditions.

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Posted 21 October 2006 - 10:03 PM

Well, its certainly not too cold.
Without a pic, it is hard to know. Giving it water every other day should be good, I would think. Sounds like you are doing everything right.
What kind of conditions was it growing in before you bought it?
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Posted 21 October 2006 - 10:03 PM

Hi Kris,

Make sure that you are thoroughly wetting all the soil in the pot. You want to keep adding water to the entire surface of the soil until it is freely running out the drain holes.

If you have recently repotted into a much larger pot it is critical that all the soil is moist because any dry surounding soil will pull moisture away from the palms rootball and the palm wil wither.

Good luck with your Lipstick palm. They're gorgeous when well grown as I'm sure you know.

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Posted 21 October 2006 - 10:39 PM

Dear Friends  :)

Dypsis dean to your question,this palm was
bought from a reputed nursery which is situated
in madras,but its location was very very near to
the sea,i.e from the nursey just 30 steps you can
wash your feet in sea water.i think you get my point.

but the palm was placed in a grean net enclosure
creating a semi shade enverionment to all shade loving
plants are housed in this tent_fabric is small fishing net
design.& their are water sprinklers in the roof structure
from which water is sprayed in early noon daily. i happen
to see this feet while i was making my red stem purchase.

Now to jim i water this huge pot very sparingly i.e is
i or 2 jugs of water only.and only occasionaly i spray
water on the leaves may be once a week only !
and i have not re-poted or used any fertilizer or pest
treatment till now.it is still in as it was bought condition.

iam madly in love with this baby but iam scared that i will
lose her again,On previous ocassion due to over watering &
fungus infection.

And as for the photos of this palm,it will be possible only
after january_2006. that is day my digital camera will
be purschased.

thanks for that prompt reply & I love you guys.

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Posted 21 October 2006 - 11:17 PM

Kris,
These palms need more water than almost all other palms. As Jim said, you need to water it until water begins to run out of the drainage holes in the bottom. Since you said the palm does not receive any direct sun, the obvious problem is not enough water. You are probably over compensating because you think you watered your last one too much.
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Posted 22 October 2006 - 04:53 AM

Kris,

As others have said, it is difficult to say without a foto.  I am not sure that it is "drying" out as you say if you are watering it as much as you say you are.  Most plants die because of too much water.  How is the soil in the pot?  Was it up potted recently?  Are there air pockets in the soil?  Is it too compact?  Perhaps the palm is suffocating - which had happened to my palms due to bad soli. Your climate should be ideal for C renda - with the heat and humity.

I had a C renda, potted, for many years in Key West Florida, zone 11.  It grew to nearly 10 feet tall.  It went through a bad stage and needed to be uppotted with new soil and proper nutrients, and I watered it less than you do.  It was also in full sun.
 
Good luck - they are magnificent specimens!

PS.  When I moved to Ft Lauderdale FL, zone 10b, we had one night in the upper 30's and within one week the C renda was dead!!!
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Posted 22 October 2006 - 04:54 AM

Kris:

I'd move it immediatly to a place in the open where it would receive at least 2 hours of direct morning sun everyday and water it intensely on a daily basis.  The ammount of sun can be increased gradually by moving the plant every month to a sunnier and sunnier position. I have 3 C. rendas and they are still in big concrete pots. If you keep them in the shade for a long time (I've done this, inside the house) they do not develop well. If you suddenly move it to direct sun it will have the tips burned but the new fronds will emerge and the growth re-established. I guess these palms are slower growers than Dypsis lutescens, for instance, but they are not so adaptable to semi shaded areas. I think that difuse light is not enough, and they love direct sunshine (and lots of constant skyjuice !).

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Posted 22 October 2006 - 05:00 AM

There are some large Lipsticks growing in a public garden just south of me in Ingham , they are planted in a shallow pond , and thriving .
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Posted 22 October 2006 - 05:05 AM

Kris,
You understand that this species is not the easiest to grow, but with your temps you should be able to do it.  The first thing I'd do is call the nursery and find out how long they had it and what they did to keep it doing well.  Typically, striking plants like this sell quickly and they might not be able to add much.  But, somebody grew it to the size you purchased.  Talk to them.  The importance of this is that you are doing something wrong, and you don't know what.  If they grew it, you can too if you give the same culture as they did.  The things to consider are: light, water, soil, fertilizer and air circulation (temps should not be an issue for you).   It's near impossible for someone the other side of the planet to advise you accurately without being right there with you.  My suspicion is the problem is drying out with not enough water, but I can't be sure.  Do a little research there and you'll probably come up with the right culture for your plant.
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Posted 22 October 2006 - 07:36 AM

Dear Dypsis Dean,Jim,Gileno,Aussiearoids & Phil.

Thank you very much for your timely advise & info's
on this Lakka Palm.

and as you guys advised me i will try out few changes,
and also i will contact the nursery as to know what am i
doing wrong with my Palm.

Thanks a lot folks !  :)

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Posted 22 October 2006 - 08:50 AM

Kris,

I have one litthe question for you, i have read in your signature that where you live you don't have frost at all. I can remember that you have show some pics of your plants/palms, but they standing in a container. May i ask why you keep them in a container and not in the ground ?

If i see some palms here in conatiners they are mostyl more yellow and brown because the container dry's out very quickly. In the ground al my palms are better and more green. Maybe that can be also a reason ? Because you live in a hot climate ...

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Posted 22 October 2006 - 06:34 PM

Kris,

I know I am new in palm world, but not to this one. My dad always had one in his garden, as I was growing up... so I know it needs a lot of water and full sun condition. I never know any that died of rot. Although, it does like well draining soil, as most palms do.

My dad has one in the full sun and it does much better than the one in the semi shade.

Mine are in the full sun and I water it whenever I go pass it, which mean it can be 3-4 times a day... as mine are still in pots too.

Good luck with your palm. I hope it survives.

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Posted 22 October 2006 - 09:54 PM

Hi Kris
In your climate you shouldn't have any problem growing this species. As others have said over watering is the least of your worries, poor drainage not good but still unlikely to kill it. And if you were living in a climate like mine, four months of no water during winter has had no effect on it, as you can see from the photo. These are tough palms provided you keep them warm.

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Posted 22 October 2006 - 10:00 PM

Dear friends thanks once again  :)

Exoctic Life_ i want to share the reason why i have
lots of plants in containers ?

i must tell the entire soil or floor region has be
occupied by the heavy weight tuskers_i.e mango tree,
neem tree,sapota,gulmohar-recently feled,etc.
they are around 40 plus old and where ever i dig
the soil i see well established heavy roots_as seen
in horror movies(Evil death_1).
and when i place new plants or palms,just in 6 months
time the plant starts to droop and leaves dry-up.
and all the fertilizers are sucked in by the big well
established trees.so i missed some of very rare verities
which are dear to me.so now iam container growing my
palms & cycas..

Now to Ariscott_my lipstic palm is in shade & i water it only
alternate days since the pot is big.Now i will change the
watering schudule and to full sun condition.

i need some time to give you guys a correct feedback on
what are the effects of the new changes.

thanks for your suggestions & advice.  :)

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 10:56 PM

Dear Friends  :)

I have met the nursery man and talked about my
problem of sealing wax palm gradually drying-up !

they have lots of these red stem of similar age groups
they are all doing fine,except mine.
they identified my problem that i should immedietly
remove my palm from the shade of a huge tree,since
it is heaviely raining now in madras.
these huge trees give out heat & Co2 at nights which is
not suitable to my red stem.
and they gave IndoFil (Broadspectrum_Fungicide) just to
prevent root rot due to heavy rains.

I have implimented the above conditions & keeping my
fingers crossed !

Any progress i will immedietly inform our members.

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Posted 28 October 2006 - 01:11 PM

Kris, what is the pH of the water you use.  Alkaline water is trouble for many palm species.  

Evil Dead, a very early Sam Raimi film, starring the greatest movie actor of all time, Bruce Campbell.  Is this movie popular where you live? (this is in reference to the giant roots comment you made of your neem and other trees in your yard)



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Posted 28 October 2006 - 09:47 PM

Dear Alan  :)

iam not shure of the ph value of the soil or the
water that i use.I use well water and drinking
metro-water,but the results are the palms appear
some what weak and their grouth rate is very
meager.when i see some Biz at our forum
members gardens & nurseries i feel a bit sad
at my palms.i tried even fertilizers & miricale
grow but no use.

now i feel that as U said that our water must be
akakline,we do not have proper agency who can
test the soil or the water.but when we drink its
quite sweet and not saltish.

Now to the Movie_Evil death_1,2.
i love this movie and people in india do also
like this movie,perticularly the first part.
and every movie libary do stock this movie.
and i read in news papers that women folks
tend to faint for a perticular scene,when the
tree roots try to_R_ a women in the ending
part of the movie.
after this review the movie is more curiously watched.
i think this review actually boosted the viewership
ratings for this movie.if not horror movies other than
exocisist & omen,none is repeatedly watched here.

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Posted 29 October 2006 - 07:37 PM

Kris,
you can buy water tester from the aquarium supplier or shop. At least it will tell you whether you have alkaline or acid water.

The nursery or hardware shop usually sell soil tester.

Good luck, Ari :)
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Posted 17 November 2006 - 11:54 PM

Dear Friends  :)

Some good news and bad news !

Good news first_my lipstick palm stopped drying up
and all the new leaves are opening up in a healthy
manner.it is clear that it is picking up.

Bad news is that i do not know the reason how this
change occured_
1. i have changed the location,since it was below a huge
   dicot tree 40 to 45 years of age.quite massive(very shady)
2. now it is in a open location and it is raining heavly And
   this will last till 1st week of december.and the average
   temperature is 77 to 82 farentheat only.

So i donot know for shure is it the rains that has refreshed my
 lipstick palm or change of location(open air status).

Since i have not done anything special/care for this palm.

And from the month of january u will have photos of this palm,
kindly bare with me for the moment.

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Posted 18 November 2006 - 05:47 AM

Kris,
I think the sun helped.  But, rain water is basically salt free and very beneficial to plants.  Perhaps your house water is high in salts??  Whatever, keep doing what your doing and see how it goes.  I was once near the habitat in Southern Thailand for this species, and it gets lots of rain and is very wet.
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 07:21 AM

Dear Guys  :)

Some good news the friend from U.S Chicago,has arrived
with my new canon digital camera 3IS_Power Shot series.
from now on Dean i will try to upload palms that i cross here
in madras & around.

Now to my Lipstick bebe which had dried up earlier.
here are some pictures of it,but now its picking up !

Love,
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 11:30 AM

cut away the brown leaves Kris, you will be able to observe it's growth much easier.
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 12:47 PM

Looking good Kris, i love lipstick palms  :)
Wish i could keep them here though  :(
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 12:52 PM

Kris,
Congatulations on your new camera. I know you have been anticipating it for a very long time. We look forward to all kinds of pics from India now.
Your Lipstick baby looks alive and well. I would trim it up also.
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 06:45 PM

Kris,
Good to hear you have a camera now!
About your Cyrtostachys renda: the soil looks somewhat dry!? This is a palm that likes plenty of sun and plenty of water. Also, a healthy C. renda will send out suckers up to 30-50 cm away from the main plant, so it needs a lot of space to expand. Why not put it in a bigger pot? And yes, just cut off the brown fronds!
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 07:41 AM

First of all thank you very much for those kind words &
suggestion.

Wal_ certainly i should clean that baby,but all wanted to
see what was wrong so i retained those leaves just for the
stills.

Amazonman_ you want believe that this Lakka palm is my 3
attempt,if you are living in brazil,i think even you could give
it a try ?

Dear Dean_ you are my encouragement,so a very special thank you sir,
may be 6 to 8 months back if i remember you welcomed me to our forum,that PM of your is very special
to me,there you mentioned kris participate in our forum
actively & the camera will soon be on its way_that came true !

Dear Bo Goran_thanks for those kind words,and iam following
your advice given at inisitial stages,may be that is the reason
that palm must have survived.we watered this palm initially 3 to 4 days once.now we water it alternate days & only in the
evenings.while in the mornings only gentle showers that
drench the leaves to make it feel cool.from next month it is
starting of summer season here.i think it will need daily
watering ! And as for the pot size iam testing the sunlight
intensity of that current location,if it is okay them i will shift
this palm to a huge sized cement pot.but after that it would be
very defficult for me & my workers to shift it.so iam just waiting !

Thanks to every one who has taken pains to respond to my
quries. :)

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 09:24 PM

Dear_Wal,Dean & Bo Goran  :)

Here are some stills of the same Lakka palms
after mild trimming,since the leaf strands are still
in good red color.so i did not chop those things.
just sissor trimmed all those brown leaves.

And thanks very much,i have learnt to safe guard
this baby from the timely help rendered by our
forum members.this has saved me a small fortune. :)

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 10:05 PM

Kris,
Your Cyrtostachys looks great!!
I decided to take a couple of photos of the base of some of my Cyrtostachys, to show how far the suckers will travel from the main stem.
Here's one; the little green sucker in the lower right is from the mother plant in the upper lefthand corner, 80 cm away!! (Almost 3 ft!!). Turns out my estimate above of 30-50 cm was much too conservative!
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 10:06 PM

Looks great Kris.
You have to be a lot happier than when this thread started.  :)
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 10:06 PM

And here's another plant, with a more mature sucker; on the extreme right, from the main stem, all the way to the left. Again, about 80 cm.

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 10:30 PM


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Looks great Kris.
You have to be a lot happier than when this thread started.  :)[/quote]
Dear Dean  :)

Thanks very much_i mean every thing and iam
now the happiest man on earth.
and i think i must speak my heart that i do not know
why i feel very comfortable & at easy when i make
conversation with you,Bo & wal.as though you guys
are my relatives.i could have spoken this in a P.M
but i felt that there was any need to hide how i feel  :)

Dear Bo Goran_thanks for those lovely stills & for the pains
you have taken to explain Me & our forum members about
how much area this beautiful palm needs to flex its foot
muscles_i meant its off shoots.great photography & i can
emagine how old that lipstik baby of your must be..
Now i must decide wheather i must shift this palm into a
bigger pot or just place it in the huge ditch that we have dug
for tail pot palms,CIDP & Chelian wine palm.
Iam unable to decide since lot of good things are happening
at break neck speed.so i will put this descission on hold.
since summer is fast approaching.we guys are gona sweet like
hell. :D

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#34 Trópico

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 05:41 AM

Yeah! Right on, Kris! Let's see those palms and views of India!  :)
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#35 Kris

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 08:32 AM


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Yeah! Right on, Kris! Let's see those palms and views of India!  :)[/quote]
Hey Man  :)

iam certainly working on that area !

want some time_friends..

Love,
Kris  :)
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love conquers all..

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#36 Kathy

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 09:39 AM

Good to see it's recovering Kris!  It is a beauty.  And congrats on the new camara.  We so look forward to new pics of your part of the world.  I always feel like I've traveled after seeing member's great photos.
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#37 Al in Kona

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 11:54 AM

Hey Kris, your Cyrtostachys renda looks pretty good after trimming away the brown leaves - looks like it's on its way to recovery.  I'm enjoying your recent photo posts and now that you have a digital camera to use you will find it even more fun to take pictures of those "few" palms you have!  
The below pics show one of my Cyrtostachys renda palms.  Most of the suckers on these palms, as you can see, are of the vertical type (grow up vertically right next to a main stem).  However, then there are what I would call a horizontal type sucker (as Bo's above post shows) - it tends to grow out horizontally for some distance before it then grows upright.  If you are growing this palm in a container, then these suckers can, of course, be removed.
 
And as for removing these horizontal type suckers from a mature Cyrtostachys planted in the ground, I'm wondering at what point can they be cut off to then start a new plant?  Has anyone done this and to what success rate?

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Hawaii Island (Big Island), leeward coast, 19 degrees N. latitude, south Kona mauka at approx. 380m (1,250 ft.) and about 1.6 km (1-mile) upslope from ocean.

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#38 Al in Kona

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 11:58 AM

#2  -  shows mostly all verticle type suckers

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Hawaii Island (Big Island), leeward coast, 19 degrees N. latitude, south Kona mauka at approx. 380m (1,250 ft.) and about 1.6 km (1-mile) upslope from ocean.

No record of a hurricane passing over this island (yet!).  
Summer maximum rainfall - variable averaging 900-1150mm (35-45") - Perfect drainage on black volcanic rocky soil.  
Nice sunsets!

#39 Al in Kona

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 12:00 PM

#3  -  Note horizontal type sucker to left . . .

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Hawaii Island (Big Island), leeward coast, 19 degrees N. latitude, south Kona mauka at approx. 380m (1,250 ft.) and about 1.6 km (1-mile) upslope from ocean.

No record of a hurricane passing over this island (yet!).  
Summer maximum rainfall - variable averaging 900-1150mm (35-45") - Perfect drainage on black volcanic rocky soil.  
Nice sunsets!

#40 bgl

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 12:13 PM

Al,
The question of whether the suckers can be removed, and successfully repotted is an interesting one. It is one of the most common questions I get when we have visitors touring our garden. I don't have the answer, but someone told me (forgot whom!!) that it CAN be done. Having a reasonably goodsized rootball is crucial for success. It would surprise me if a small horizontal sucker has the necessary roots to support it as an indepent plant, though.
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