Anyone ever see a Jubaea like this?

[Perito]

Yesterday I took these photos of a Jubaea chilensis close to my house. The unusual thing about it is that the leaves are stacked one above the other in eight neat rows. Anyone ever seen one like it? Perito

[Mark Heath]

Wow!!!!!! Whicked!!!! I have'nt seen too many Jubaeas seeing that i live in Florida, but WOW!

[freakypalmguy]

That is very interesting. I want to say it's distichous, but that is only dealing with two planes, sooo quad distichous? very cool Perry, thank you.

Matt

[Walter John]

I've never seen one growing so horizontal before, must be a hybrid with Wallichia.

[ricky]

that is one amazing jubaea i see its seeding do you know is this trait as been passed on to the seedlings it would be a great palm to hybridize with

ricky

[BS Man about Palms]

Almost makes me think it has some Butia in it...

[Jeff in St Pete]

Nice!

[BS Man about Palms]

Almost makes me think it has some Butia in it...

Maybe it was crossed with this Butia in La Jolla...

[surferjr]

Yesterday I took these photos of a Jubaea chilensis close to my house. The unusual thing about it is that the leaves are stacked one above the other in eight neat rows. Anyone ever seen one like it? Perito

She's a bute.....looks like she's been transplanted or had some rough years.

[surferjr]

Yesterday I took these photos of a Jubaea chilensis close to my house. The unusual thing about it is that the leaves are stacked one above the other in eight neat rows. Anyone ever seen one like it? Perito

Deano....think Palmtalk posting is going wacko....why 2 posts? noticed Ron had 2 also in the exchange???

[Perito]

Wal, sorry for hurting your neck.

Then here's another tree about 1/2 a mile away from the first. It looks to be about the same age, I bet the same person was involved with both trees. They both had apartments built around them, so they get a small amount of irrigation but nothing to the deeper roots unless it rains so I think the 'bottlenecking' is due to lean water years. The current seed crop looks to be sterile, but I just linered up germinated seeds that I collected last year. I'll know in 5 to 10 years if it's true to type.

BS Man- I love that Butia!

[DoomsDave]

Wal, sorry for hurting your neck.

Then here's another tree about 1/2 a mile away from the first. It looks to be about the same age, I bet the same person was involved with both trees. They both had apartments built around them, so they get a small amount of irrigation but nothing to the deeper roots unless it rains so I think the 'bottlenecking' is due to lean water years. The current seed crop looks to be sterile, but I just linered up germinated seeds that I collected last year. I'll know in 5 to 10 years if it's true to type.

BS Man- I love that Butia!

Swoon!

CruncH!!

Know how old that set of Jubes is?

[Perito]

Dave- I don't know of anyone who knows the history of these trees. They are in the unlikely town of Oceano near Pismo Beach. I'll guess they are close to 100 years old.

[Kris]

Dear Perry

Thanks for those beautiful stills...

Love,

Kris

[PalmGuyWC]

Those are beautiful and very old Jubaeas, and I bet your right about the same person having something to do with them. If they were still around, I bet they would belong to Palm Talk. It's normal for very old Jubaeas to bottleneck. As you can see from my avatar, Jubea is one of my favorite palms.

Dick

[Ryland]

I noticed a jubaea in a park near downtown Santa Barbara with similar characteristics. All of its fronds seemed to come out one on top of the other, like the one in your photograph.

[_Keith]

First horizontal palm I have seen as well. But I am looking forward to going to Australia one day so I can see them growing upside down. lol.

[Perito]

I noticed a jubaea in a park near downtown Santa Barbara with similar characteristics. All of its fronds seemed to come out one on top of the other, like the one in your photograph.

Hi Rylandus- I know where most of the big Jubaeas are in Santa Barbara but I don't think I've ever seen that one. Is it at the park on

De La Vina St.? I'd be interested in checking it out if you remember what park it's in. Thanks! Perito

[Ryland]

Perito, it's in Alameda Park, which occupies two blocks and is bounded by E Micheltorena St, E Sola St, Anacapa St, and Garden St. Santa Barbara separates the two blocks. You may have missed this one because it is surrounded by other big trees. It is at the very middle of the block that borders Anacapa. You know that Santa Barbara palm garden? It's on the other block in the same park. Do you happen to know of any jubaeas in SLO? I've only seen one big one in the Cal Poly business center. I always have my eye out for them, but never found much in SLO.

[Perito]

Rylandus- Thanks for the directions. Ill go look for that tree next time I'm in S.B. The Jubaea at Cal Poly is the only mature one I know of in San Luis Obispo. There is a good size Juvenile along with some other nice palms on California Street between Monterey St. and the 101 freeway. The mature trees in Oceano ( pictured at top of this post ) are the closest to S.L.O. that I know of. There used to be one in Arroyo Grande that was moved a small distance to accomadate new construction. It survived the move, but then later someone decided to 'clean up the crown' and cut it back so severely that it died. You seem to know Santa Barbara pretty well. Have you seen the Jubaeas at Lotusland in Montecito? There are lots of them and they are very well taken care of, not to mention the rest of the Palms and huge Cycad collection. It's a real treat if you get the chance to go there! Perito

[Ryland]

Rylandus- Thanks for the directions. Ill go look for that tree next time I'm in S.B. The Jubaea at Cal Poly is the only mature one I know of in San Luis Obispo. There is a good size Juvenile along with some other nice palms on California Street between Monterey St. and the 101 freeway. The mature trees in Oceano ( pictured at top of this post ) are the closest to S.L.O. that I know of. There used to be one in Arroyo Grande that was moved a small distance to accomadate new construction. It survived the move, but then later someone decided to 'clean up the crown' and cut it back so severely that it died. You seem to know Santa Barbara pretty well. Have you seen the Jubaeas at Lotusland in Montecito? There are lots of them and they are very well taken care of, not to mention the rest of the Palms and huge Cycad collection. It's a real treat if you get the chance to go there! Perito

Actually I've never been to lotusland but I really want to check it out. I'd probably loose my footing if I saw a bunch of well kept jubaeas at once! I've only ever spent one week in Santa Barbara, but I made sure to see as much of it as I could in that time. I think I may be down there more frequently soon, so thanks for the lotusland tip!

[Perito]

Rylandus- Thanks for the directions. Ill go look for that tree next time I'm in S.B. The Jubaea at Cal Poly is the only mature one I know of in San Luis Obispo. There is a good size Juvenile along with some other nice palms on California Street between Monterey St. and the 101 freeway. The mature trees in Oceano ( pictured at top of this post ) are the closest to S.L.O. that I know of. There used to be one in Arroyo Grande that was moved a small distance to accomadate new construction. It survived the move, but then later someone decided to 'clean up the crown' and cut it back so severely that it died. You seem to know Santa Barbara pretty well. Have you seen the Jubaeas at Lotusland in Montecito? There are lots of them and they are very well taken care of, not to mention the rest of the Palms and huge Cycad collection. It's a real treat if you get the chance to go there! Perito

Actually I've never been to lotusland but I really want to check it out. I'd probably loose my footing if I saw a bunch of well kept jubaeas at once! I've only ever spent one week in Santa Barbara, but I made sure to see as much of it as I could in that time. I think I may be down there more frequently soon, so thanks for the lotusland tip!

If you want to see Lotusland, you need to book in advance because they are limited in how many visitors they can have on the grounds and I think there is a substantial waiting list.

[palmierbret]

You 've such Jubaea with the leaves organised on eight rows in south of France

Look at the jubaea picture on the following link :

http://www.mpl.ird.fr/dgpc/colloques_semin..._palmiers1.html

Fred

[Perito]

Wow, a third one! And in the caption it is said to be 'octostichous'. So is this a trait that turns up occasionally in Jubaea or could these 3 very old trees have come from the same seed batch? I wonder who was the first person to have collected Jubaea chilensis seeds and start distributing them to other countries, and how old are the oldest trees not located in or near Chile?

[iamjv]

Hey Fred thanks for that link (and welcome to the board!)... the jub in France had a lot of freeze damage on the trunk. Anyone know what kind of temps did that? Interesting there would be some of these odd-leafed jubs in France as well....

Will have to second the recommendation to go to Lotus Land! Amazing jubs and cycads there! It's a great garden but it's a guided tour through the gardens and in my opinion, you don't get enough time to take it all in.... I was always the last one in the group (trying to take pictures) and the guide kept 'waiting' on me... Jv

[palmierbret]

During my research on history of palms introduction and cultivation here in France, I've found some temperature datas from a garden situated at less than one kilometer from the "Square Magnol", the garden where is situated the octostichous Jubaea.

Winter 1886-1887 : -8°C to -10°C

Winter 1905 : -11°C to -12,8°C during three nights

February 1956 : lower temperature : -13,1°C

December 1962 : lower temperature -11,4°C with 25 days of freeze to february

february 1963 : lower temperature -14,7°C

January 1985 : lower temperature -11,8°C

January 1987 : lower temperature -11,2°C

Fred

[Moose]

On ‎1‎/‎15‎/‎2009‎ ‎8‎:‎58‎:‎24‎, Perito said:

Wal, sorry for hurting your neck.

Then here's another tree about 1/2 a mile away from the first. It looks to be about the same age, I bet the same person was involved with both trees. They both had apartments built around them, so they get a small amount of irrigation but nothing to the deeper roots unless it rains so I think the 'bottlenecking' is due to lean water years. The current seed crop looks to be sterile, but I just linered up germinated seeds that I collected last year. I'll know in 5 to 10 years if it's true to type.

BS Man- I love that Butia!

 

A Jubaea of Doom Bump. Such massive beautiful palms!