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#1 bgl

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Posted 21 August 2008 - 11:04 PM

Just to let everybody know what's coming, here's the information about Genera Palmarum 2. This information will be in the next issue of PALMS, due out next month (September):

"Genera Palmarum Edition 2

The IPS, LH Bailey Hortorium and Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew, are proud to announce the new edition of the ground-breaking Genera Palmarum. The second edition is a complete overhaul of the 1987 edition and includes chapters on the structure of palms, pollen, cytology, chemistry, fossils, evolution, phylogeny, natural history and biogeography and the classification based on the latest molecular evidence. The new classification has substantial changes in the composition of subfamilies, tribes, subtribes and genera. An illustrated glossary and geographical listings are included. This is the definitive reference book on palms! 744 pp. 11.26 x 7.76 x 1.57 inches. Line drawings. Color photos throughout. Maps. Hardback. 6.3 lbs. $150.00.

Reserve your copy now! Special members-only discount (one-third off the cover price!): $99.00. Add $20 shipping and handling within the USA (total $119); add $37 for shipping to Mexico or Canada (total $136); add $44 for shipping to all other destinations (total $143). Non-members can take advantage of this special price now by including the $45 membership fee for 2009 with their order. Orders are expected to ship in December. Don’t wait! Limited quantity!"



IMPORTANT INFORMATION - PLEASE READ:

1) The IPS is not ready to accept orders until next month. For one thing, a link needs to be added to the IPS website for on-line payments. This has not been done yet. So, please do NOT attempt to place your order quite yet! Another announcement WILL be made when we're ready.

2) GP2 is still at the printshop in Italy, and is awaiting surface shipping to the USA. This could take a while. We hope to be able to ship out GP2 before the end of the year.

3) The special price mentioned above (for IPS members only) will be valid through 31 March 2009. After that date, the special discount will no longer be available.

Feel free to post questions or comments.
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#2 Jeff Searle

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Posted 22 August 2008 - 04:31 AM

How about, just a big THANK-YOU !


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Posted 22 August 2008 - 04:54 AM

I was fixing to pull out my Visa card.....can't wait till Christmas. Thanks!!
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Posted 22 August 2008 - 06:21 AM

Is there any indication as to when these will be shipped in December?

I was planning to get 2 books and have them shipped to New York to my sister who will be visiting us here in the Philippines for Christmas. I was hoping to save a lot on shipping--She leaves the States on Dec. 16.

I'd love to get a hold of my copy for Christmas. :drool:
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#5 bgl

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Posted 22 August 2008 - 08:07 AM

Gene,

At this point, we just don't know. Once the shipment is on its way, we should have a better idea of a likely delivery schedule to individuals. As soon as I have more specific details, they will be posted here.

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Posted 23 August 2008 - 02:41 AM

Kew Publishing is already offering the book (albeit it's not quite yet in stock). Kewbooks.com

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Congratulations to all on completion of this project!

And that's a beautiful cover. (Interesting capitalization. Someone put considerable work into the typography).
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Posted 24 August 2008 - 02:24 AM

Thank you for the announcement. I am really glad it is finally ready.

What about European members? Can we get the discount from a local source?

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#8 bgl

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 08:23 AM

Carlo,

I'm afraid not. There are only two choices:

1 - order from the IPS, which means a total cost of $143 if you live in Europe (incl. shipping)

2 - order from Kew, and pay their regular price (approx. $150 - but in Pound Sterling, so it could vary somewhat depending on exchange rates), PLUS shipping.

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 02:23 PM

I see. At Kew, shipping costs for UK is 14$ (total 164$), for W Europe is 26$ (total 176$). From the IPS to Europe is 143$

But if I buy it from Kew I will get it in one week or less, not in months :hmm: And produce less CO2 while the books don't go back and forth through the ocean.
Can't the IPS find a way to get this solved? Estimate how many European members would buy GP2 ... maybe it is worth it.

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 03:20 PM

Carlo,

I'm sorry, but the decision has been made and the bulk shipment of GP2 in Italy is ready to be sent to the USA. At this point, trying to break it up and set up a seccond IPS distribution center would simply be too complicated, and probably also involve extra expense that would have to be recovered, one way or another. I'd like to add that I think your idea is a good one - the problem is that someone should have looked into this about six months ago, or so. One of the main challenges in any all-volunteer organization is always that there's only so much that a small number of people can accomplish. There are always good ideas about doing additional things, or doing things in a better way, but unless someone steps forward and volunteers to implement those ideas, the simple fact is that they will never get done.

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 05:00 PM

As luck would have it, the Pound Sterling has fallen very quickly against the Euro and the US Dollar. Those in the Euro zone who don't need a copy immediately may do well to wait a few months as the fall continues, if the London pundits are correct.
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Posted 25 August 2008 - 08:43 PM

It a beautiful book, though a bit heavy to take to bed, though that hasnt stopped me. Its good to finally have an update to GP1. There is so much info to take in and it is nice to have the photos interspersed with the info and not at the front like edition 1.
I dont want to be picky, but the distribution of Rhopalostylis goes a lot further down NZ than in the illustration in the book.
Other than that, very happy. Should keep me busy for weeks...
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Posted 26 August 2008 - 05:40 AM

Carlo,

I'm sorry, but the decision has been made and the bulk shipment of GP2 in Italy is ready to be sent to the USA. At this point, trying to break it up and set up a seccond IPS distribution center would simply be too complicated, and probably also involve extra expense that would have to be recovered, one way or another. I'd like to add that I think your idea is a good one - the problem is that someone should have looked into this about six months ago, or so. One of the main challenges in any all-volunteer organization is always that there's only so much that a small number of people can accomplish. There are always good ideas about doing additional things, or doing things in a better way, but unless someone steps forward and volunteers to implement those ideas, the simple fact is that they will never get done.

Bo-Göran



The discount is most likely due to bulk shipping plus a little bit knocked off by the publisher, so there is no way any of us could buy GP2 locally and benefit from the discount that the IPS is offering. Publishers are not concerned that members of societies to which a book is most relevant, are deserving of a price reduction. I don´t think this is a situation that could have been changed or bettered, IMO.
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Posted 16 September 2008 - 07:58 AM

Any new news on GP2? I don't want to miss out.
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Posted 16 September 2008 - 08:18 AM

Ellidro... Stop that! I always get excited when I see this thread getting bumped up in hopes that the book has been released! :lol:
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Posted 16 September 2008 - 08:34 AM

Question palm scholars....

Is their much difference between the 1st and now the second edition? Would you recommend getting both? i just saw the 1st out there and wondered ...wait for the 2nd ed. or get both? Please advise.... :unsure:
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#17 bgl

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 08:35 AM

Was just informed that the shipment of GP2 is now on its way from Italy. It's expected to arrive at Allen Press in Kansas around mid October, so that sounds promising. And nobody is going to miss out - there are definitely plenty of books for everyone (even if you decide to buy two each!) :)

More details as soon as I have them.

EDIT: Hulagal, just saw your post. There is a VAST difference between GP1 and GP2. LOTS of name changes and lots of palms have been discovered in these 20 years. If you're interested in the history of name changes, and getting as many palm books as possible, then buy GP1. If not, just stick with the new GP2.
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Posted 16 September 2008 - 08:49 AM

EDIT: Hulagal, just saw your post. There is a VAST difference between GP1 and GP2. LOTS of name changes and lots of palms have been discovered in these 20 years. If you're interested in the history of name changes, and getting as many palm books as possible, then buy GP1. If not, just stick with the new GP2.
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<---running to get GP1 because I am a hoarder...of knowledge. thanks Bo.
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Posted 16 September 2008 - 08:58 AM

Bo,

Knowing that I cannot buy it now, where can I reserve a copy?

Thanks.
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Posted 16 September 2008 - 09:08 AM

Just be patient! A few more weeks and we'll be ready to accept orders. And like I said - plenty of books for everyone! :)
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Posted 16 September 2008 - 09:18 AM

Thanks for the update Bo!
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Posted 16 September 2008 - 11:50 AM

Will other palm societies around the world get the discount for their members?
People have seen my copy and asked if our society will be getting some to sell, and I would like to know if I can order a few at the discounted price.
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Posted 16 September 2008 - 01:54 PM

Just be patient! A few more weeks and we'll be ready to accept orders. And like I said - plenty of books for everyone! :)


I have heard from sources that I consider reliable that patience is a virtue; of which I have none. Therefore I will sit and stew, raising my blood pressure and blame the Clinton administration for this and all of my other woes......
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Posted 16 September 2008 - 02:55 PM

John,

As much as I would like to help it seems we would be getting slightly off topic with these other issues, so I'm just going to keep my focus on GP2...! :)


Michael,

As an IPS member you will be able to order as many copies as you want at the introductiory "for IPS members only" price. (In other words, there will not be any other special discount for other Palm Societies around the world).

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 04:25 PM

EDIT: Hulagal, just saw your post. There is a VAST difference between GP1 and GP2. LOTS of name changes and lots of palms have been discovered in these 20 years. If you're interested in the history of name changes, and getting as many palm books as possible, then buy GP1. If not, just stick with the new GP2.


<---running to get GP1 because I am a hoarder...of knowledge. thanks Bo.


I would certainly buy GP#1. I bought mine several years ago right after it became available. I then had it signed by Natalie W. Uhl and John Dransfield on November 13th, 1992 at the Miami Biennial. So.....how do you think I feel about owning mine? It's been well used and always will be. I already consider it a collector's book.

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Posted 18 September 2008 - 12:04 PM

I would certainly buy GP#1. I bought mine several years ago right after it became available. I then had it signed by Natalie W. Uhl and John Dransfield on November 13th, 1992 at the Miami Biennial. So.....how do you think I feel about owning mine? It's been well used and always will be. I already consider it a collector's book.
Jeff

thanks for the input Jeff. You & Bo are like Cliff notes in here. Very 'kewel' that you have author's signature. I look forward to both my editions being well worn one day. :)
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Posted 18 September 2008 - 02:47 PM

hulagalnz9 Posted Sep 16 2008, 12:55 PM
...<---running to get GP1 because I am a hoarder...of knowledge. thanks Bo.


GP1 was one of my first palm books ever and I lugged it to every palm related event I attended as a kid. It is a part of palm taxonomic history and everyone should have a copy, just for the sake that they are limited copies in existence. Having a copy that is autographed, is a whole different story... Mine!

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Posted 19 September 2008 - 08:47 AM

:drool: NO fair Ryan!! stamped name and both signatures?...your copy is very nice....you lucky duck. You know it's an addiction when even the 'books' about palms make you giddy. hehe. thanks for sharing :-)
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Posted 19 September 2008 - 04:43 PM

Is it an addiction. When you scour through online auctions, flea markets and book sections at plant sales looking for palm books you know the sickness has set in. When you spot that first edition hidden under a pile it hits you like a bolt of lightning. I did the stamp myself when I was 12, soon after getting the book.

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Posted 21 September 2008 - 07:52 PM

Just to tantalize you book collectors further: The truly special copies of GP1 were the 100 copies of the "deluxe edition" with leather covers, gold edging, and the autographs of John, Natalie, and the botanical illustrator, Marion Ruff Sheehan, (now deceased). Mrs Sheehan was famous for her orchid illustrations.
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Posted 22 September 2008 - 08:16 AM

Just to tantalize you book collectors further: The truly special copies of GP1 were the 100 copies of the "deluxe edition" with leather covers, gold edging, and the autographs of John, Natalie, and the botanical illustrator, Marion Ruff Sheehan, (now deceased). Mrs Sheehan was famous for her orchid illustrations.

wow....and you probably have that copy. :hmm:
looking on rare books right now and booking loan appointment to afford it.
thanks for the info darold....and shh... dont tell ryan. :winkie:
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Posted 22 September 2008 - 11:22 AM

My copy of GP2 is almost worn out already. I think I may need to order a few more copies to help last the distance.
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Posted 23 September 2008 - 06:30 PM

Genera Palmarum was very fortunate to have Mrs. Sheehan as illustrator. She and her husband (a University of Florida ornamental horticulturist and department chair) were a delightful couple.
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Posted 24 September 2008 - 02:30 PM

My copy of GP2 arrived today from Kew and it is beautiful! Kudos to John Dransfield, Natalie Uhl and the rest for a huge, comprehensive and beautiful achievement.

The only unfortunate thing I did notice as I was thumbing through it was that the distribution map for Rhapidophyllum is quite incorrect. It illustrates a far western boundary east of Apalachicola, Florida, whereas it has been firmly documented westward well into Mississippi, hundreds of miles to the west. (see Principes, v34/2, April, 1990: Demography of the Needle Palm, Rhapidophyllum hystrix, in Mississippi and Alabama, by Keith E. Clancy and Michael J. Sullivan). I'm sure this was just an error on the part of an illustrator or graphic artist that made it past the editors, but it's a shame to see such a misprint in an official volume representing so much excellent and hard work. Hopefully it can be addressed in a future press-run.

The book is wonderfully produced, with many gorgeous photos and line-drawings, and goodies galore!
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Posted 24 September 2008 - 10:31 PM

Rhopalostylis is wrong also, coverage should stretch half way down the South Island of New Zealand.
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Posted 01 October 2008 - 06:14 AM

I received my copy of PALMS yesterday, and in it it announced that orders for GPII can be placed at www.palms.org.

I attempted to place an order, but there was no place that the order could be entered.

What's going on here folks?
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Posted 01 October 2008 - 07:32 AM

I'm in the same boat Rick... I just mailed in my check as the ad suggested. I would have liked to order online as well. :(
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Posted 01 October 2008 - 08:03 AM

We're working on it right now. Maybe the website will have the information later today. I'm checking into it as we speak.... :)
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