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Dypsis decipiens

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How do you tell the difference between a "super variety" and a normal one?

I have just got one and it has a bright red petiole and some of the fronds have started to go pinate.

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Regards Andy.

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Bangor, Norin Iron Zone 9a Min temp normally around -3 Degrees C, rarely -6C. Only 2 x -2.0C so far, verging on 9b this year. No snow or Frost this Winter. Several just subzero's this year, lets hope it stays this way. Normally around 5C to 10C + in winter, with lots of wind & rain. Summers usually better, 20C to 25 C occasionally 25C to 28C, also quite humid being a coastal town

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Gtlevine Grand Master

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The one they call Super Decipians opens a pinkish red leaf.

Gary

Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

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Does the Super D have a better survival rate than the regular D?

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Jeff Searle Grand Master

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I think it would have a red cape around it and maybe an "S" on each leaf. :lol:

Come on guys, are they not the same plant?

Jeff

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and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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what about the fronds with more of a bluish tint? is this a different plant also or caused from more shade? i have 3 in my yard and every plant is different one has a bluish tint one has dark red petioles and one is just green!

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I think it would have a red cape around it and maybe an "S" on each leaf. :lol:

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Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

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Jeff to funny!!!

But if you really want to know, you take it to neoflora, Ron knows them super duper Dypsis decipiens ! :winkie::lol:

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Scott

Titusville, FL

1/2 mile from the Indian River

USDA Zone COLD

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MattyB Grand Master

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They're so variable, I say get as many as you can fit. I'm going for 200.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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Gtlevine Grand Master

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Searle is right, they are the same plant. But for those that like color, I have seen the trunking specimen in Doc Darians yard and it is just like a Chambeyronia when the leaf opens, it is quite specatacular.

Gary

Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

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Jeff Searle Grand Master

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I would like to see a pic. of that new leaf.

I'm just jealous of you guys out there, because we can't grow them here. It's a gorgeous palm though.......

Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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I've mentioned this before (I think), but there are also a lot of other D. decipiens-like palms out there. I've heard that what has been offered as "Dypsis sp. 'Hankona'" is just D. decipiens (my pair of them are too young to tell). I've also heard that "Dypsis sp. 'Honkona'" may or may not be decipiens. And, "Dypsis sp. 'Betefaka'" of at least one form may or may not be decipiens. I'm most skeptical about the last, since the 5 g 'Betefaka' that I have looks little like a decipiens of the same size. Now, with "super" decipiens, I'm just overwhelmed. :hmm:

Jason

Menlo Park, CA  (U.S.A.) hillside

Min. temp Jan 2007:  28.1 deg. F (-2.2 deg. C)

Min. temp winter 2008: 34.7 deg. F (1.5 deg. C)

USDA Zone 10A since 2000

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I think it would have a red cape around it and maybe an "S" on each leaf. :lol:

Come on guys, are they not the same plant?

Jeff

Your most accurate call to date. :D

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

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I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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So would a red petiole indicate that there may be red fronds at a later date?

I have a Chambeyronia macrocarpa too with a large spear which has been really slow but it is still GREEN!

No sign of Red at all????

Regards Andy.

Bangor, Norin Iron Zone 9a Min temp normally around -3 Degrees C, rarely -6C. Only 2 x -2.0C so far, verging on 9b this year. No snow or Frost this Winter. Several just subzero's this year, lets hope it stays this way. Normally around 5C to 10C + in winter, with lots of wind & rain. Summers usually better, 20C to 25 C occasionally 25C to 28C, also quite humid being a coastal town

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Hi, I'm new to this forum, and forgive me for "jumping in the middle," but I have been growing Dypsis decipiens in the ground here in Southeast Georgia for about five years. I see that some have expressed a little jealousy that palm growers "out there" (meaning California, I guess) can grow Dypsis and others can't. Mine seems to be doing fine so far. It's about six-seven feet tall overall and about three years ago the trunk divided and now I have a double. Do I need to tell mine to stop growing because it isn't supposed to be here, LOL?

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bgl Grand Master

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Hi Tom,

And welcome to the IPS PalmTalk Forum! That's an excellent looking Dypsis decipiens! It's obviously doing just great, so I wouldn't suggest telling it anything at this point in the game! :lol:

Aloha from the Big Island! (below a few of mine and a close up as well. This one is the ESD - Extra Super Dooper... :lol: )

Bo-Göran

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Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

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I've found that out of one seed batch you can get reds and greens, robust plants, wimpy ones, some which split into 3 plants almost at germination stage etc. Those which are green can turn red later on, those that are red can turn green later on. They're all beautiful, but I beleive they are all Dypsis decipiens and fit under the variable nature of Dypsis decipiens. What an amazing plant.

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

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Welcome, Tom!

I don't think I'm one of the naysayers, I just tell folks to "plant high" because they like to tiller down until they get to a little smaller than your size. Once at your size, it should be home free!

Bill

PS- Its a good thing your DD can't read! :D

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Does the Super D have a better survival rate than the regular D?

I thought this plant was an easy grow in So Cal. I just planted a fifteen gallon and it looks really nice. I can't wait for it to root and begin to grow.

Mike Hegger

Northwest Clairemont

San Diego, California

4 miles from coast

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Thanks for the welcome -- and the responses. Dypsis decipiens was a palm highly touted about eight or nine years ago as having potential in the Southeast. A couple of SE palm nuseries began carrying it. The Southeastern Palm Society tried three one year (I believe in 2000) at our palm collection in Savannah, GA, but they all died the first winter, which was a cold one.

I tried here and I think lucked out on some of the conditions. I tend to plant things a little high anyway, and my Dypsis seems to have the right combination of sun/shade for my location. So far, so good. It's been very cold-hardy, though I have to admit that the coldest it's been here has been in the mid-upper 20s F. I'm pretty sure I have the only specimen in Georgia, but would love to hear anyone else's experiences.

This year it seems to have really picked up on its growth rate, even though I would still describe it as slow.

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Tala Rising Star

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Tom thats a terrific specimen esp. for the SE, you guys do great work up there. I sold about a hundred of these, eventually planted a couple of 1g's back in '99. One has struggled and is not much bigger than what you would find in a 3g pot. The other is a bit smaller than yours, maybe 4 ft overall and appears to have split below ground (forming a 2nd stem). I also kept a 3rd specimen, now in a 15g pot to play around with. It to has split, and even tho' potted it grows at the same speed as the one in the ground. Very slow for me, 3 leaves per yr whether sun or shade. Shade grown plants will develop pinnate leaves faster than full sun but thats the only diff. I can ever see.

Keeping them up high is good advice, for Fla. anyway. Just the first few yrs, its when they seem to have the most issues with our climate. Once in the ground for awhile I wouldn't worry, they push down regardless. Out of the hundreds I grew some had a vivid red color, some a less distinguished blue/red color, some very little other than green. Seed via RPS so not sure of origin (guessing habitat for that time anyway). Whether they all came from the same palm or area I do not know.

About 5 or 6 winters ago we had the last (really) damaging freeze here, down to 25f, very windy so no frost. The foliage on these palms all became somewhat blotchy that morning. I noticed the same thing happening to Trachycarpus and several of the cold hardy Livistona among others. These dark blotches faded away as the day warmed up, no damage noted. I've also seen them covered in frost during their first few yrs, again no damage. Obviously a finicky palm to begin with but those of us who got'em going in the ground now are going to be rewarded handsomely in the future.

For those in a hurry you're better off planting Hyophorbe, much easier to grow w/ a similar form & array of color.

- dave

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Tala, thanks for the compliments -- it means a lot coming from you! I think I got more lucky than anything else.

By the way, the Syagrus littoralis (aka 'Silver Queen') I got from you three years ago is doing GREAT. It's about 12' high overall and starting to form a true trunk. I have a few seedlings left from the seeds you sent me as well, which I plan to sell because I have no more room left in my yard for Syagrus...four is plenty!

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Tom,

Good to see you on board here. I recognize you from the Hardy Palm board. This is my favorite forum. Hope you enjoy it as much as I do.

Keith

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How do you tell the difference between a "super variety" and a normal one?

I have just got one and it has a bright red petiole and some of the fronds have started to go pinate.

DypsisdecipienswithRedpetiole001.jpg

DypsisdecipienswithRedpetiole005.jpg

DypsisdecipienswithRedpetiole006.jpg

Regards Andy.

I'd say this is a normal one.......like most, But they're are the standout plants, more red and pink, that are only visable ( as many rare palms) when you visit your local grower some Dypsis decipiens are more vibrant than others...more suckering trunks, gray/blu color etc. I have about 500 plants in all sizes and some just stand out as unique! But what ever you end up with rest assured you have a great palm that's going to stand out in your garden.......so plant it at the front door sapa....they hate buckets! :drool:

Gtlevine your right Doc Darians are mind blowing!! Made me plant 10 more :drool:

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On 8/16/2008, 4:24:00, Tom_StMarys_GA said:

Hi, I'm new to this forum, and forgive me for "jumping in the middle," but I have been growing Dypsis decipiens in the ground here in Southeast Georgia for about five years. I see that some have expressed a little jealousy that palm growers "out there" (meaning California, I guess) can grow Dypsis and others can't. Mine seems to be doing fine so far. It's about six-seven feet tall overall and about three years ago the trunk divided and now I have a double. Do I need to tell mine to stop growing because it isn't supposed to be here, LOL?

 

We'll see if this image works:

 

<a href="http://s34.photobucket.com/albums/d105/Tom_StMarys_GA/?action=view&current=IMG_1140.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d105/Tom_StMarys_GA/IMG_1140.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

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Would love to see an update on this one! Although it looks like there hasn't been activity by this user since 2008...

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On 2/19/2017, 8:31:58, Opal92 said:

Would love to see an update on this one! Although it looks like there hasn't been activity by this user since 2008...

I agree

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