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Splurging on Palm Purchase


Jim in Los Altos

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I'm curious to know the single most expensive palm purchase any of you have made and if you're happy or disappointed with that decision. My most expensive palm is a common queen, of all things, but a big 35 year old that I had craned into position four and a half years ago in a place that I was too impatient for a big, mature palm. It cost me $1,000.00 including its installation. Notice in the picture that the younger queens nearby (planted from 15 gallon cans at the same time) are catching up to the big old one.

I'm still glad for the purchase. I don't regret the purchase of any palm, dead or alive now. :lol:

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Jim in Los Altos, CA  SF Bay Area 37.34N- 122.13W- 190' above sea level

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Jim-

My most expensive palm purchase has been, oddly enough, for a pair of Sabal palmetto! These are palms whic grow by the millions in the wild, yet I ended up spending $500 to put a pair of them at the end of my driveway. The expense wasnt the palms (they are cheap...I believe dug right out of the wild they are $50-75 no matter the size, and something around $100-125 full retail), but the bobcat and trailer I had to rent to get them in the ground. They are blasted HEAVY palms, especially when they are full of water like mine were. The 2000 lb rated Bobcat could just barely lift them and I had to have a friend hanging off the back of the Bobcat to try and keep the rear wheels down.

Larry 

Palm Harbor, FL 10a / Ft Myers, FL 10b

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I spent $150 for a large 15-gallon Kentia Triple, and about the same for a large 15 gallon Royal. I've limited myself to palms I can pick up and install by myself, which precludes me from buying 24" boxes and larger. The price jump from a 15'er to a 24" box is a factor of 4.

From Jim's photo, I don't feel like I'm missing much.

Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22

7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m)

Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C)

Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm)

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I spent $150 for a large 15-gallon Kentia Triple, and about the same for a large 15 gallon Royal. I've limited myself to palms I can pick up and install by myself, which precludes me from buying 24" boxes and larger. The price jump from a 15'er to a 24" box is a factor of 4.

From Jim's photo, I don't feel like I'm missing much.

You're right in your last statement. When that big queen was planted, there was nothing growing underneath it because I had just removed a section of unnecessary concrete driveway there and everything else got planted after that. I'm pretty sure the two queens to the right of the big one will eventually outgrow it and they were only $39.00 palms.

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This is a little unrelated since this is a client's property but since I started this topic, I get to cheat a little. :mrlooney: The big CIDP's in the background cost my client a bit more than $10,000.00 each installed. This is a current project of mine in Los Altos Hills where we've installed 40 palms so far.

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Jim,

Wow, that looks great, and I'm sure that will be a very impressive landscape once you're done! And $10,000 for a palm!!?? But in the big scheme of things.... :lol: That amount made me think of when we moved here to Hawaii. This is a bit off topic, but I'll get back on topic at the end of my post!

Quick background: for many years my business, as well as hobby, was to take color slides of commercial aircraft and sell them (the slides!). I would keep one of each slide for my own personal collection. When we moved here in 1995 I decided to sell my slide collection to the highest bidder, and buy palms instead. In other words, transferring the equity from one hobby to another! :) I had just over 7,000 Kodachrome 25 slides, and sold them to a guy in Switzerland for $14,000. After it was a done deal, I made an appointment at Palms of Paradise, and spent an entire afternoon with Jerry Hunter selecting palms I wanted. What a way to spend an afternoon!! :) Jerry told me "you buy palms for $5,000, I give you 10% off. You buy palms for $10,000, I give you 20% off.". I KNEW I was going to spend $5,000. The question was, would I get to $10,000? Well, I was certainly going to give it a try! :lol: I ended up at $10,620, and minus the 20% that left $8,496 (and the difference between that amount and the $14,000 went to pay for our container from California!). So, instead of ONE very impressive CIDP for $10,000, how about 61 palms for $8,496? (OK, that was in early 1996, so it would obviously be a bit more today, but still close enough for a comparison). I'm listing a few here, but ONLY the ones that were in 35G pots, and a few other select ones:

One Areca trianda, 35G, $200 (this is AFTER the 20% discount)

One Areca ipot, 35G, $240

One Arenga pinnata, 35G, $160

Two Arenga undulatifolia, 35G, $160 each

One Hyophorbe indica, 35G, $240

Two H. verschaffeltii, 35G, $240 each

Three Johannesteijsmannia altifrons, 7G, $300 each (these were 6 ft tall - very impressive!)

Two Licuala ramsayii, 35G, $300 each (10 ft tall!)

Three Nephrosperma vanhoutteanum, 35G, $100 each

Ten Phoenicophorium borsigianum, 35G, $80 each (14-15 ft tall!!!)

One Ptychosperma sanderianum, 45G, $220 (might be an invalid name)

Three Rhopaloblaste augusta, 35G, $240 each

Two Siphokentia beguinii, 35G, $240 each (now Hydriastele beguinii)

Nine Verschaffeltia splendida, 35G, $160 each (16-18 ft tall)

And a bunch of smaller palms in 10G and 15G pots.

That was fun....made me re-live that afternoon!! :)

Anyway, back on topic: the most money I ever spent on a palm was in Poway, CA, where I paid $900 for an Archontophoenix cunninghamiana. $150 per trunk ft was the going rate in late 1989! My wife still talks about our $900 King palm! And ironically, the most I ever spent for a palm here in Hawaii was $300 (see above). I should add, though, that when I was fortunate to be able to buy the three Lodoicea maldivica seeds in Nov 1999 I paid $800 each. So: $800 for a Lodoicea or $900 for an A. cunninghamiana.....tough choice!! :mrlooney:

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

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My most expensive palm came in a trash can. My bigger OCWS. It was $2,000., and the first one I bought at $1,300 seems to be doing great, so since I found another for sale, I bought it. (My luck it will just turn out to be Prestoniana)

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Its pretty big and the spear since this photo is at least 4 foot long. Mardy is not sure if its a variation of "Big Curly", But since seeing Deans, I fell in love.

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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This old shots were my previous "high prices". The $1,300 OCWS and $1,000 for the Big Curly. (The OCWS is in the bigger pot) OCWS stands for Orange Crownshaft, White Shaft, from Mardy originally. They seemed like bargains compared to CIDP's to me, which I can buy just about anywhere out here.

Interesting to note here, the OCWS and Big Curly I got at that time appear to be two completely different palms, and at least for a while, I'm sure were grown near each other? (same house-Mardys)

Just to help, the pot with paint is Big curly and the frond "coming at you", also. The horizontal frond is OCWS and the bigger pot with the hose next to it, also.

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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My most expensive palm purchase was $1500 for a Dypsis OCWS. Like Bill, I just had to have a big one. As it turns out, that palm got eaten by a gopher and I lost it. That was my only purchase for a palm over $1000.00 until I I had a chance to buy another OCWS and a Big Curly. Now I think Big Curly and OCWS are the same palm, but the two I purchased as OCWS and Big Curly were trades for two Lipstick palms I purchase for $1250.00 each. This was a much better purchase because the two Big Curlys I got in this trade for $1250/each were double the size of the first one for $1500.00. Now I am a little older and a little wiser, I won't purchase any real expensive palms. I enjoy buying seedlings and small plants and watching them grow. My last expensive purchase was 500 for an 18 year old Copernicia Fallaensis, but unless I find something rare and extremely slow like that palm, I will be patient with smaller palms.

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So you say now Gary! :D

By the way, no regrets for me. I suspect I'll be buying until I'm bankrupt... :(

And please, EVERYONE post! It doesn't matter actual amounts, I just want to see what gave different people "Palm lust"!

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"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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I paid $275 for a big Clinostigma savoryanum from Rancho Soledad about 5 years ago. That was very early in my palm obsession and I remember I was very nervous spending the money. I was very new to palms, and didn't know how good my climate was or how hard this was going to be to grow. I definitely don't regret it, the palm is doing great, see the photo below. My second most expensive palm was a large 5g Lemurophoenix for $250. I don't regret buying it...but I do regret killing it. Actually come to think of it there aren't any palms that I regret buying, it's the ones that I didn't buy and then never had a chance again to buy that I regret (and the ones I killed of course).

Just a note for scale, that's a 5g (300 mm?) pot behind it with the banana. This thing is FAT. It had not trunk when I got it.

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0.6 Acres of a south facing, gently sloped dirt pile, soon to be impenetrable jungle

East of Mount Soledad, in the biggest cold sink in San Diego County.

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Wow Bill, I like the honesty. You know it's the first step to recovery.

After reading Bo's post I thought I'd add. That the largest and most expensive palm I bought in Hawaii was a Dypsis perrieri, in a 30g pot, about 8 feet tall. I would say how much I spent on it, but Bill would put his head through a wall, so Bill before you read this put on a helmet...OK...here goes...$60. Bill, if you lived in Hawaii, you could afford to have 10 hobbies.

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San Diego

0.6 Acres of a south facing, gently sloped dirt pile, soon to be impenetrable jungle

East of Mount Soledad, in the biggest cold sink in San Diego County.

Zone 10a (I hope), Sunset 24

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$7,524.93, but for you FREE! You pay for removal and freight to your place and it is yours. Limited time offer, so hurry!

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Martin Farris, San Angelo, TX

San Angelo Cold Hardy Palms and Cycads

Jul - 92F/69F, Jan - 55F/31F

Lows:

02-03: 18F;

03-04: 19F;

04-05: 17F;

05-06: 11F;

06-07: 13F;

07-08: 14F 147.5 Freezing Degree-Hours http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?sh...ee+hours\;

08-09: 23F;

09-10: 12F 467.6 Freezing Degree Hours, Average Temperature During Freeze 24.2F;

10-11: 13F 1,059.5 Freezing Degree Hours with Strong Winds/Rain/Snow/Sleet, Average Temperature During Freeze 19.4F;

Record low -4F in 1989 (High of 36F that p.m.) 1,125.2 freezing degree hours, Average Temperature During Freeze 13.6F;

Record Freeze 1983: 2,300.3 Freezing Degree Hours with a low of 5F, Average Temperature During Freeze 13.7F.

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I will not say!

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

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Just $114 for 4 Kentias in a five gallon pot.

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Matt,

Your comment about the D. perrieri made me think of a number of amazing purchases I made in 1995 and 1996 when I had just moved here from SoCal. Being used to SoCal prices and moving over here was the absolute opposite of sticker shock. I'll never forget my first cycad purchase here. Met a "backyard grower" who had incredible looking Cycas circinalis in 15G pots. They were about 10 ft tall. And he had a whole bunch. So, the obvious question "how much?". He hesitated for a minute or two, and then said "well, these are pretty expensive...hmmm.....hmmm.....(and I'm wondering what's coming next)....hmmm....how about $20 each?" What can you say to something like that? The best response I could think of (and I used it A LOT) was "that sounds very reasonable!" :)

Bo-Göran

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

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$7,524.93, but for you FREE! You pay for removal and freight to your place and it is yours. Limited time offer, so hurry!

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Martin, I thought about you and that poor Jubaea shortly after I started this thread and how unfortunate it is that you lost it that way. I'm glad you have several others that look healthy. Frankly though, that was a great deal for a Jubaea of that size. I've seen smaller ones at much higher prices.

Jim in Los Altos, CA  SF Bay Area 37.34N- 122.13W- 190' above sea level

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sunset zone 16

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Jim,

Wow, that looks great, and I'm sure that will be a very impressive landscape once you're done! And $10,000 for a palm!!?? But in the big scheme of things.... :lol: That amount made me think of when we moved here to Hawaii. This is a bit off topic, but I'll get back on topic at the end of my post!

Thanks...It's a labor of love but, seriously, I make very little money on big palms like those CIDPs at $10,000.00. My take is usually about $500.00 each after purchasing them from the nursery, getting the huge holes properly prepared, paying the crane operator, and so on and so on. The clients are so impressed though that it's all worth the trouble.

Jim in Los Altos, CA  SF Bay Area 37.34N- 122.13W- 190' above sea level

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Maybe 50 dollars ...tops, and that was just one or two. I wanted to see and learn how palms grew from younger ages, how they changed etc., so I acquired them young, hence at low cost.

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

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Gee, I must be a real tightarse. The most I've ever paid, by a long way, was $90 for a large Dypsis lastelliana. Most stuff I buy is under $20. I wish I could afford to spend more though!

Daryl

Gold Coast, Queensland Latitude 28S. Mild, Humid Subtropical climate. Rainfall - not consistent enough!

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For me its been 2 licualas - Orbicularis and Mapu.

This is the mapu after about a years growth with me.

Both were (depending on the exchange rate) about U.S.$ 250 to 300 each which is just about my psychological limit. Anything more than that and I feel guilty.

But my normal purchase range is more like $60 - so these 2 were really high on the lust factor.

If there was a similar sized Licuala Cordata over here I think I'd push that limit much much higher.

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53 feet above sea level - inland

Hot and dry in summer, humid and sticky monsoon season, perfect weather Christmas time

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THis is the licuala orbicularis after about a year's growth as well.

I tend to buy the rarer stuff at a younger age and just grow it to maturity myself - you get to know the habits of the palm a lot better AND price wise its what I can afford.

I understand though that for some really slow growing species it is best to get as large a palm as you can so that you can enjoy thr palm within your lifetime. If there were only some fully grown Copernicia Cowllii or Fallanesis here-- hmmm. Cuban palms are also pretty high on my palm lust scale

Having said that I also get the impression that palms are generally much much much cheaper over here than in the US based on the prices I am reading. THere are several factors I can think of :


One factor is probably the exchange rate - our currency has gone down a lot in several waves

Anotheris that its easier to grow most palms here so the supply of a new variety get well established pretty fast

I guess the biggest factor is that this is a much poorer country so the price elasticity for "luxury items" like palms has a lower limit

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Manila, Philippines

53 feet above sea level - inland

Hot and dry in summer, humid and sticky monsoon season, perfect weather Christmas time

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Same stuff here...spent $1000 on Iggy (I. Spectabilis) Biccy (L. Orbicularis) & Mapu...all 3 died.

A bit difficult emotionally as all were doing well for a year.

I bought a nice big Gaussia princepies for $400...and its almost too big now for my 'conservatory'

The Palm Mahal

Hollywood Fla

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The most I have spent was $300 for three very large Royals.I would spend more if there was something interesting to buy.I would easily pay $500 for a Copernicia baileyana.I have to grow everything I want from seed.I have probably spent over $1000 in seeds in the last five years.I think this is a pretty inocent vice.

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El Oasis - beach garden, distinct wet/dry season ,year round 20-38c

Las Heliconias - jungle garden ,800m elevation,150+ inches rainfall, year round 15-28c

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If it wasn't obvious before, the prices spent are ALOT lower if one buys where palms grow faster!

Keep posting folks, I love it! Good thread Jim!

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

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$100 for Licuala orbicularis. The second most expensive is Attalea insignis last weekend for $65. I spend more on trees :blink: .

Regards, Ari :)

Ari & Scott

Darwin, NT, Australia

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Foxtail $125.00 for a 25 gallon, which died from asian ambrosia beetles after a year and half, still no regrets.It was beautiful until them little buggers did their number.Have since decided to plant mostly smaller palms (15 gallon or less) so prices have gone way down.

If it wasn't obvious before, the prices spent are ALOT lower if one buys where palms grow faster!

Keep posting folks, I love it! Good thread Jim!

BS ,

I beleive you are correct sir, if it grows fast, pay less! :)

One other thought came to mind reading your other post, it might also have something to do with WHO you bought them from! :winkie::)

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Scott

Titusville, FL

1/2 mile from the Indian River

USDA Zone COLD

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I make very little money on big palms like those CIDPs at $10,000.00. My take is usually about $500.00 each after purchasing them from the nursery, getting the huge holes properly prepared, paying the crane operator, and so on and so on. The clients are so impressed though that it's all worth the trouble.

Jim, what does your planting regimen entail for a large CIDP like that? Do you dig a hole a foot deeper than the root ball and use a sandy mix for good drainage?

Do you provide your clients any guarantee on a $10,000 palm? Do they ask for one?

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I will not say!

Len- you could play it safe and say it was one of your CIDP's (I suspect it was)

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Foxtail $125.00 for a 25 gallon, which died from asian ambrosia beetles after a year and half, still no regrets.It was beautiful until them little buggers did their number.Have since decided to plant mostly smaller palms (15 gallon or less) so prices have gone way down.

If it wasn't obvious before, the prices spent are ALOT lower if one buys where palms grow faster!

Keep posting folks, I love it! Good thread Jim!

BS ,

I beleive you are correct sir, if it grows fast, pay less! :)

One other thought came to mind reading your other post, it might also have something to do with WHO you bought them from! :winkie::)

Scott- The "who" part is right, but again those vendors in the "faster growing area's" can't get those prices because people will look elsewhere. [big generality here]

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Actually the real kick in the groin was the D. draco in the back. :)

I will not say!

Len- you could play it safe and say it was one of your CIDP's (I suspect it was)

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

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Palms Man. Read the title.

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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$7,524.93, but for you FREE! You pay for removal and freight to your place and it is yours. Limited time offer, so hurry!

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Martin, I thought about you and that poor Jubaea shortly after I started this thread and how unfortunate it is that you lost it that way. I'm glad you have several others that look healthy. Frankly though, that was a great deal for a Jubaea of that size. I've seen smaller ones at much higher prices.

Jim, That was the most expensive tree of the lot. Of course, which one dies, the most expensive one. I actually only paid $2,500.00 for the tree. The rest was digging, cranes, permits, freight, etc. I found a lot of smaller Jubaeas at higher prices, too. In the end I feel bad for the tree, but I don't regret the purchase.

Martin Farris, San Angelo, TX

San Angelo Cold Hardy Palms and Cycads

Jul - 92F/69F, Jan - 55F/31F

Lows:

02-03: 18F;

03-04: 19F;

04-05: 17F;

05-06: 11F;

06-07: 13F;

07-08: 14F 147.5 Freezing Degree-Hours http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?sh...ee+hours\;

08-09: 23F;

09-10: 12F 467.6 Freezing Degree Hours, Average Temperature During Freeze 24.2F;

10-11: 13F 1,059.5 Freezing Degree Hours with Strong Winds/Rain/Snow/Sleet, Average Temperature During Freeze 19.4F;

Record low -4F in 1989 (High of 36F that p.m.) 1,125.2 freezing degree hours, Average Temperature During Freeze 13.6F;

Record Freeze 1983: 2,300.3 Freezing Degree Hours with a low of 5F, Average Temperature During Freeze 13.7F.

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Like Bill, I don't have any regrets for expensive palm purchases, but go figure that the one real expensive purchase I made got the kill from the gopher. But I will say this, I made multiple palm purchases in the $500 dollar range that were all fantastic, lots of luck in that range and the palms were good size. Also, if a $500 palm dies, it does not hurt as much. Losing that big Jubaea would be like sticking the knife in then twisting. The good news is that I can see on the horizon, big Dypsis will be coming down in price soon when Rancho Soledad starts bringing them in to So Cal in a few years. I have stocked that place in Hawaii to the hilt over the last few years so it is just a matter of time. Up until now if you wanted a big Dypsis you had no choice.

Matt, that Dypsis Pierriere is awesome, I want that to try in So Cal. Does anyone have one available for $60? It also comes from Marojejya so maybe it will grow here.

Gary

Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

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Matt, that Dypsis Pierriere is awesome, I want that to try in So Cal. Does anyone have one available for $60? It also comes from Marojejya so maybe it will grow here.

Gary

I have one in a 5 gal about 1/5th of Matts size, its been growing under light canopy down in the "low zone".

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Jim,

I like the landscape in that first photo. Nice mixture of palms.

I can't even remember my single largest purchase, but it was nowhere near $10k. I'm sure I'll do something like that when we move again. Mature CIDPs instantly change the landscape. (Yes, I still love that palm even though it is common.) :)

Jason

Menlo Park, CA  (U.S.A.) hillside

Min. temp Jan 2007:  28.1 deg. F (-2.2 deg. C)

Min. temp winter 2008: 34.7 deg. F (1.5 deg. C)

USDA Zone 10A since 2000

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When you guys talk of big prices, aren't you talking about bigger/older palms ? Instant fix and all ?

Because some palms grow fast here doesn't mean they are cheap, no sir, availability is one factor.

There's still a stack of slow growing palms here on the market, and they're not cheap.

I paid little money as did some of my compadres, this is because we love them at all stages of growth, we get to study them, we gain knowledge for the future. I once bought a solitaire palm in a tube, 2 leaf strappling, cost me $2-00. I planted it 6 years ago. it is now way over my head and looks magnagloriouspecial. You don't need to spend the big bucks folks. If I had $500 to spend on a palm, I would not buy one palm, I would buy about 15 palms.

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

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I think my most expensive palm purchase was $210 for two large queens, including delivery and installation (when I lived in Tampa). I used to order tubes and large seedlings from Hawaii, and at sales I always bought palms in the one to five gallon range, and a large percentage of my palms were from seeds I germinated. I'm with Wal, I enjoy seeing palms in all different stages of growth.

Formerly Jeff in Costa Rica
 

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