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Dypsis Hovomantsina. show yours- please.

BS Man about Palms

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BS Man about Palms

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At a suggestion of Bill Beattie, here is my biggest one, recently potted into a 15 gal.

Lets get some other shots-please! EVEN if yours doesn't look the same .

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Hi Bill, I may get down to my local palm nursery this weekend and take a pic of one he has listed for sale, rather expensive though.

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

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Hi Bill, I may get down to my local palm nursery this weekend and take a pic of one he has listed for sale, rather expensive though.

Looking forward to it!

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Hello Bill,

I think you have the real deal there. :hmm: Very nice and it should be ready to plant out next year. Very nicely grown. And it looks alot like what I have hear also. I'll try to get a pic. and compare.

Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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Hello Bill,

I think you have the real deal there. :hmm: Very nice and it should be ready to plant out next year. Very nicely grown. And it looks alot like what I have hear also. I'll try to get a pic. and compare.

Jeff

I was well taken care of by its previous owner. :)

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Hello Bill,

I think you have the real deal there. :hmm: Very nice and it should be ready to plant out next year. Very nicely grown. And it looks alot like what I have hear also. I'll try to get a pic. and compare.

Jeff

I was well taken care of by its previous owner. :)

Bill,

I'm glad to know you were well raised! :drool: scarry. But, how about the palm?

Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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I assume Bill B coaxed BS Man into this thread based on my post in another Dypsis thread. Hovomantsina has been, at least for me, a total mystery. And what makes it most strange to me is that it is a very distinctive plant when mature, and I have seen good photos in POM and from Masoala Jason, so it seems like it should not be hard to get correctly identified and collected seed.

I have heard at least three of the most respectable experts of the madagascar palm world (JDA, Jeff Searle, and Jeff Marcus) say that they received seeds from a very reliable source as Dypsis hovomantsina and they have all turned out to look like the palm in Bill's photo. BUT...Dypsis hovomantsina has plumose leaflets! At least when young, the palms that we all have a hovomantsina don't look anything like what the real hovomantsina looks like. And from what I've seen the palm in Bill's photo is easy to recognize, and so is mature Dypsis hovomantsina.

So what I'm dying to know is if someone here (I was hoping Bill B/Rafiki) has actually collected seeds from hovomantsina in habitat and grown the palms? Do they have regular/non-plumose leaflets for MANY years. From what I've discussed with Jeff Marcus it is entirely possible that the palm in Bill's photo will indeed completly change it's leaf morphology once it matures (maybe even after a few feet of trunk are formed). So I'm not implying that the experts are wrong on this one. I just want to know since this seems like an easily solvable "Dypsis mystery".

Here are Jason's photos of hovomantsina in habitat. They match exactly the photo in POM (althought the leaflets look even more plumose in the POM Photo).

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San Diego

0.6 Acres of a south facing, gently sloped dirt pile, soon to be impenetrable jungle

East of Mount Soledad, in the biggest cold sink in San Diego County.

Zone 10a (I hope), Sunset 24

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Funny you say that Matt. Bill is actually storing his palm at my house. I took it to Jungle Music a few weeks ago and Jesse Bergman said the almost the exact same thing. He also refrenced the picture and description in POM. If you go by POM there seems to be no way Bill's palm grows up to look like that. All that being said whatever Bill's palm turns out to be it is very impressive. So much so that if it roots in while it's here, Bill is out of luck because I'll just mound around it and cut the pot :mrlooney:

San Marcos CA

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Here's the most recent photo (Bo's photo) of the largest of these palms that I know of from Jeff Marcus' garden. It looks like there is some very modest irregularity in the leaflets on the newest leaf, and you could imagine that maybe the palms in habitat are more scattered due to wind maybe, but to me the leaflets still look very regular on this palm and it's getting pretty big. Also while the crown coloration (red fading to white) does match hovomantsina, it seems like a more open crownshaft than the palm in Jason's photos or the one in POM. Again this could all change with age...but I bet someone on this site knows for sure whether this palm is the true species.

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For larger version see post #8 in this thread Bo's Floribunda thread

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San Diego

0.6 Acres of a south facing, gently sloped dirt pile, soon to be impenetrable jungle

East of Mount Soledad, in the biggest cold sink in San Diego County.

Zone 10a (I hope), Sunset 24

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paulgila

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so now the container ranch is spreading uncontrolled??? :bemused:

the "prince of snarkness."

 

still "warning-free."

 

san diego,california,left coast.

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I can confirm two other known locations of the spread! We need to get to Bill before the "Container Flu" spreads further!!!

so now the container ranch is spreading uncontrolled??? :bemused:

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

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It's the best plant care money can buy. No weeds,regular watering. I tried to get him to let me take care of some others but to no avail. Bill tries but he has a lot of stuff to care of.

San Marcos CA

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Matt et al...From what I (we) have seen in Mad ...the juveniles you have shown so far appear to be the real thing! Yes...I am sure if you back to Jeff Marcus's great nursery in a year's time you will see the change taking place. Prob is that D. hovomantsina are so slow in the first 10 years. It is easy to identify in the Mad because the adult palm leaflets look so untidy. When the great book was published in 1995 this palm sp. was thought to be rare. Since then we have found hundreds growing on the tallest hills behind the Tampolo Lodge in Masoala.

Bill.

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Hello Bill,

I think you have the real deal there. :hmm: Very nice and it should be ready to plant out next year. Very nicely grown. And it looks alot like what I have hear also. I'll try to get a pic. and compare.

Jeff

I was well taken care of by its previous owner. :)

Bill,

I'm glad to know you were well raised! :drool: scarry. But, how about the palm?

Jeff

Darn T !

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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I just now read all my harrassment. As long as I have "palmtakers", I'll just grin and bear it. (It is deserved) Thanks to all of you. :wub:

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Thanks Bill (rafiki). I had a feeling you would be able to confirm this with in habitat observations. So I guess I have a hovomantsina. Makes me even more mad that a rat ate the heel off my other one and it died a slow death after that. In another 30 years it might actually look like something here.

Matt

San Diego

0.6 Acres of a south facing, gently sloped dirt pile, soon to be impenetrable jungle

East of Mount Soledad, in the biggest cold sink in San Diego County.

Zone 10a (I hope), Sunset 24

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So, can anyone share cultural information about this guy please. The one I have seems to have burnt a bit in the bright light of my greenhouse when it got hot. Could it be the heat? What do they prefer?

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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Matt,

I can say for sure that they don't like getting the heel eaten by a rat. I got mine from Ron (Neoflora) and they had been in 1g pots for a LONG time. But they're so slow they really weren't potbound, but were ready to move up. The one I have is in my "light mix" (fine orchid bard, perlite, coco peat 1:1:1) and it is doing very well, definitely a deeper green and healthier looking then when I got it. I haven't had any issue with overheating, but my greenhouse tops out around 100F or so.

Matt

San Diego

0.6 Acres of a south facing, gently sloped dirt pile, soon to be impenetrable jungle

East of Mount Soledad, in the biggest cold sink in San Diego County.

Zone 10a (I hope), Sunset 24

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My greenhouse dosen't get over 100F either. It's a shade house in the summer. Must be bright light. I've got a very bright greenhouse, so somethings I've gotta place carefully so that they're protected a bit. Chamaedoreas do fine though.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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I would venture its the humidity Matt(y). I've been to all three greenhouses and yours is brighter and drier than the others.

BS

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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So, can anyone share cultural information about this guy please. The one I have seems to have burnt a bit in the bright light of my greenhouse when it got hot. Could it be the heat? What do they prefer?

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Mine were burnt a bit from earlier years in my hot house, note the young burnt leafs, and since putting them outside...they're fine. My hot house can see 103+ temps with 100 % humidity :hmm:

They've been outside now for 2 winters....slow but 1.5 leafs a year!

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So, can anyone share cultural information about this guy please. The one I have seems to have burnt a bit in the bright light of my greenhouse when it got hot. Could it be the heat? What do they prefer?

How about share your pictures of yours or others D Hov.!

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Clark, mine is just a tiny little thing that's struggling. It was doing fine for a while and I bumped it up into a tall 3 gallon pot but now it's just a tiny seedling trying to stay alive. That's the trouble with the slow growers; if there's a problem they have a hard time pulling out of it.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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Clark, mine is just a tiny little thing that's struggling. It was doing fine for a while and I bumped it up into a tall 3 gallon pot but now it's just a tiny seedling trying to stay alive. That's the trouble with the slow growers; if there's a problem they have a hard time pulling out of it.

I've herd if you you look at them the wrong way they die! Transplanting them is another story. I mist them with seaweed when transplanting! :drool: SUSHI BABY

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Here is an update on mine. Pic taken today and growing well at Garys over winter. I also noticed I incorrectly said it was in a 15 gal pot. I actually put it in a 10 gal pot. BUT, look at that spear!!! :drool::)

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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It looked better in my backyard. Right next to your perfect 7 gallon balanse.

I suspect it will be back to visit later this spring.....

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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WELL, after this palm spending close to a year at Garys, then some quality time at Shon's, it came back for a planting! It was in a 10 gal pot and I have high hopes that it may "move" at this point because it has A LOT of good sized roots at the bottom of the pot (or had). Its now in a 24" box that I just planted before the rains get here. Actually, there are already coming.... :D

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Love the color on the petiole on this guy.

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I'll rig up some minimal shade for this unit also.

Also to add, I have heard from a few that planted theirs that they really like being planted, not in a pot. Judging by the root growth in 1 1/2 years, it looks like that statement is true.

Rock on!!

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Hey Bill, how is this one doing out of interest??

Kurt

Living the dream in the Rainforest - Average annual rainfall over 4000 mm a year!!!

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Heres a poor pic with my sorry foot taken in Sept of this year.. doing great.

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Nice work Bill! That thing must be pumping roots down like mad! Dig that dirt away for winter so it doesn't rot out.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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Nice Bill! That thing is putting on some size!

Grateful to have what I have, Les amis de mes amis sont mes amis!

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Anyone know if the plant in post 9 is the same as pictured in the Encyclopaedia of Cultivated Palms (plate 382)?

Will be interesting to see if the plants from the recent RPS seed perform this metamorphosis.

Bill, hope that thing is not digging it's own grave....

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Anyone know if the plant in post 9 is the same as pictured in the Encyclopaedia of Cultivated Palms (plate 382)?

No it is not.

The full story of both palms, with many pics, are included in the new "Marcus Garden Tour 2012."

MARCUS GARDEN TOUR

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Kona, on The Big Island
Hawaii - Land of Volcanoes

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Anyone know if the plant in post 9 is the same as pictured in the Encyclopaedia of Cultivated Palms (plate 382)?

No it is not.

The full story of both palms, with many pics, are included in the new "Marcus Garden Tour 2012."

MARCUS GARDEN TOUR

I got the impression from watching the video that Jeff was leaning towards the original sp hovomantsina (post 9) being the true hovomantsina. ? I guess there's another reason to go back and watch the video again. By the way, thank you for making the video tours, truly inspirational.

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Here's mine in Pahoa. I'll be happy when it's more off the ground.

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Resident of Puerto de la Cruz, Tenerife, San Diego, CA and Pahoa, HI.  Former garden in Vista, CA.  Garden Photos

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