Syagrus hybrid schizophylla

[BS Man about Palms]

Braden- It looks like you took my bigger one! I better check!

Seriously, I know Jungle Jacks place was at at least 23F, possibly lower as this thread was right before the Jan. 2007 cold event!. MIne look OK, but once planted they will look much better. Sadly, I rarely pay attention to them in a pot and a box...

The cold didn't faze them at all!

[PalmGuyWC]

Yesterday Patrick Schafer brought me a Schiz X Queen with 4 strap fronds to try in my climate. It has very glossy fronds and a heavy texture like Schizophylla. The seedling came from Rick Leitner's tree in Ft. Lauderdale so it's from Florida lineage, and I presume it's an F2.

Dick

[kelen]

Wonderful cross!! I have some seeds but I'm waiting they germinate

[DippyD]

so how can i get my hands on a little on of these guys. seems to be a awesome palm

[Mike Evans]

I have some F2 generation of these in 3 gal containers, ~ 2' tall. $25/ea, No shipping.

[JD in the OC]

I have Syagrus xMontgomeryana seedlings and seeds available. There is a BIG difference between F1 and F2. F1 are much prettier and faster in my opinion. F2 are usually back-crossed and could look more like schizo or roman.

PM me if interested (F1's are hand-pollinated by me)

F1 seedling $100ea

F2 2gal $50ea

F1 seeds $10ea

JD

[Rafael]

Closer

Are those seeds available?

[peachy]

Naughty Rafael, you are such a greedy boy.

Peachy

[TikiRick]

This is indeed a great palm. I wish I had planted it in a more noticeable spot than on the side of my house. It was planted out as a 3 gallon palm in 2004 and is now towering over the roofline and drops seeds like no tomorrow. I purposely left some seeds beneath the palm to see if they naturally germinated, and some did. It gets very little sunshine, which I think limited germination.

This palm is fast, can withstand drought, periodic flooding, and suffered no damage whatsoever at 36F. The only drawback, like all other in this genus, is that it is NOT self cleaning, and without proper pruning, some may think the palm looks ratty with dead fronds hanging.

Currenly, I have been cutting the inflorescence off before maturity because I just can't keep up with the height, bees, and my neighbors complaining about the flowers dropping (it hangs over the fence much of the time!).

I purchased this palm as a Queen palm, but knowing it was a bit different and unique at the time, I purchased this one. I had a strong feeling it was a cross with schizophyllum and it was.

I can't recommend it enough.

[palmz]

Here are a couple of pictures of mine hope you enjoy

[palmz]

Sorry guys , one more time.

[Palmzilla]

Sorry guys , one more time.

Looks great, nice cycads too, very well done

[palmz]

" Looks great, nice cycads too, very well done "

Thanx Palmzilla ! I've really tried hard to mix Cycads and Palms in my garden and keep a good growing condition for both.

Robert.

Jim,I've found with the 2 I'm growing they do fairly well in all light conditions as long as I keep them wet.(once a week in winter and 3 times a week in hotter conditions)

[JD in the OC]

Well, here it is... Syagrus schizophylla x Allagoptera arenaria Fingers crossed!

[Mark Heath]

Good luck Justin! I really don't think you'll need it though! Good job!

[BS Man about Palms]

[MattyB]

bump on that fo ya

[Jdiaz31089]

Anyone care to post pictures of their romanzoffiana x schizo trees 10 years later? I just bought one of these in a 5 gallon. This post is from 2006 so surely those palms in the earlier pictures are getting pretty big! 

Edited November 16, 2016 by Jdiaz31089

[Jim in Los Altos]

Wow, has it been ten years?! Mine has grown to fifteen feet tall. Not huge for ten years of passage but the fronds are big at twelve feet long. I will try to get a decent picture of it soon. It's hard to because it's in very close proximity to several other palms. 

[Jim in Los Altos]

It's now actually closer to 20 feet tall and, as I mentioned before, sort of difficult to photograph.

[willo68]

Still get a good view of it, nice palm, Love looking at your yard pics, everything always looks awesome. 

[Jdiaz31089]

22 hours ago, Jim in Los Altos said:

 

It's now actually closer to 20 feet tall and, as I mentioned before, sort of difficult to photograph.

 

I like how upright this palm is. I bet with a bit more sun it might spread out more. 

[Jdiaz31089]

This is mine, i put her in the ground yesterday 

[iwan]

19 hours ago, Jdiaz31089 said:

This is mine, i put her in the ground yesterday 

Looks good Josue.  I will be curious to see how it does with our cold foggy winters.  It will probably do fine for you with the urban heat island.  This is one hybrid that I have not had the courage to be a guinea pig yet.  Seems like this cross is becoming more common now.

[Jdiaz31089]

3 hours ago, iwan said:

Looks good Josue.  I will be curious to see how it does with our cold foggy winters.  It will probably do fine for you with the urban heat island.  This is one hybrid that I have not had the courage to be a guinea pig yet.  Seems like this cross is becoming more common now.

Iwan, I'd love to see what kind of stuff you're growing. Are you in the Ranchos/foothill aread or on the valley floor?

[Jdiaz31089]

I thought I'd add a recent photo to this thread - I'm really happy with this hybrid.

[ErikSJI]

My partner and I started doing this hybrid back in October. The seeds held on the tree forever. We just recently planted 2000 of them and will be collecting more for the next several months. We did not get very good germination last time we did it. Only about 20%. We are hoping the results turn out better this year.

[Keith N Tampa (ex SoJax)]

3 hours ago, ErikSJI said:

My partner and I started doing this hybrid back in October. The seeds held on the tree forever. We just recently planted 2000 of them and will be collecting more for the next several months. We did not get very good germination last time we did it. Only about 20%. We are hoping the results turn out better this year.

I see you have a guard snake...to keep the rats from getting those seed.  I bet it'd scare off some people too.  Are the 20% that germinated last year growing quickly?

 

[JT in Japan]

6 hours ago, ErikSJI said:

My partner and I started doing this hybrid back in October. The seeds held on the tree forever. We just recently planted 2000 of them and will be collecting more for the next several months. We did not get very good germination last time we did it. Only about 20%. We are hoping the results turn out better this year.

 

Erik, to capture the seeds well, do you bag them or cover them in any way? Or just walk around the tree and pick them off the ground after they've fallen?

JT

[ErikSJI]

8 hours ago, JT in Japan said:

Erik, to capture the seeds well, do you bag them or cover them in any way? Or just walk around the tree and pick them off the ground after they've fallen?

JT

JT we bag them with onion sacks.

[ErikSJI]

12 hours ago, Keith in SoJax said:

I see you have a guard snake...to keep the rats from getting those seed.  I bet it'd scare off some people too.  Are the 20% that germinated last year growing quickly?

 

Yeah the snake freaked me out at first. From what I hear the 20% are not growing quicker then a typical queen.

[Keith N Tampa (ex SoJax)]

I think we had the same species guarding one of our chairs yesterday morning.  I'm pretty sure it was hunting those noisy Cuban Tree Frogs. 

[Jdiaz31089]

My S. x montgomeryana is getting some weeping action on. Those leaflets are long and droopy. Really cool palm. 

[ErikSJI]

syagrus schizophylla x Montgomeryana started sprouting last month.

[Beespalms]

A good trick to sprouting syagrus ( or most tough germinating seeds) is to get air tight containers, and fill it close to the top with moist moss.  Set the seeds on the moss, don't cover them.  Then place them on heat mats around 82-85.  Check the moisture level every few days to make sure it not to dry or wet.  This method keeps the seeds drier since they sit above the moss but get watered as the heat from the mats creates a natural condensation.  It pushes the water to the lid of the container, then drops down on the seeds over time.  After using this method I went from 40-50% queen palm germination to 90%, and got the germination in as little as 7 days compared to a 30+ using a method similar to the pictures above.  Only trick is the seeds have to 110% clean and sterile or it will become a fungus farm.

[ErikSJI]

First and only double out of the first 1000 seedlings of syagrus x montgomeryana.

[Josue Diaz]

On 11/24/2016, 7:17:35, iwan said:

Looks good Josue.  I will be curious to see how it does with our cold foggy winters.  It will probably do fine for you with the urban heat island.  This is one hybrid that I have not had the courage to be a guinea pig yet.  Seems like this cross is becoming more common now.

Iwan, maybe you can try this one out. Two winters and no issues with this one at all. 

[iwan]

Looking great Josue.  For the most part, I am over zone pushing.  If the mother was S. Rom, I might be more inclined, but even standard queens were killed in the valley in 1998 and 2007.  You are averaging up to a full zone warmer in the city so your pallet is much wider.  

There are many new hybrids showing up with hardier bloodlines to provide new growing opportunities and hopefully survive our next freeze disaster.

[Moose]

On ‎9‎/‎17‎/‎2006‎ ‎11‎:‎34‎:‎27‎, BS Man about Palms said:

Hey Jim, here is mine. It was one of the few left that was a 5 gal so I paid much less, we'll see. As I metioned some time back, Jack Ingwerson had done the last crosses and they had 24" box sizes for sale....MUCH more costly!

 

Joe Palma bought one, maybe he could post a pic. His looks pretty nice

Did it ever get planted?